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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 10:48 AM
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I need some help guys and who better than a world of friends to help me out. I have a bit of a career dilemma my old job that I had left about a year ago has been contacting me and wanting me to come back as a manger and about double the pay I am getting now at the new job I left the old job for. Now they are wanting me to come back pronto tonto as a regular employee tell the new owner takes over and I take my manger spot but still double the pay I am getting now. The job I am working at now was supposed to be a step up but really was a let down with less hours and not paying me the pay they said I was entitled too. The less hours thing I can see with the new job because every body slows down in the winter month and at least I am getting hours but only making 11 and hour and just barely getting 80 hours on a two week pay check I am just barely keeping my head above water. The new job if I go back as a regular employee tell I take the manager spot I would be starting back at 13 and hour and about 80+ hours and when I take the manger job Id be around a dollar or two dollars more raise and tons of hours. So I know it seems like the obvious choice but me being me I just feel bad about leaving the new job high and dry right before summer.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 11:08 AM
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Well you have to do what is best for you ya know, if you want to go then give them a chance to match it and if they do then great if not than do what is best for you.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 11:26 AM
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^^ i agree. do not love your company cause they seldom love you back. all about the bottoline. I was in a similar position a couple years ago, decided i owed it to my new company for hiring to give them a fair shake, to uphold my own integrity. they ended up screwing me, i learned a good lesson.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 01:38 PM
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^^ i agree. do not love your company cause they seldom love you back. .
Exactly. Do whats best for you.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 01:50 PM
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Yup. Hard for us to say what you want most. Go where your heart is, man.

Fall back on that cowboy instinct if necessary, it's usually pretty good

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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 01:58 PM
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Quick advice.... it's business, not personal. Leave your heart out of it and follow the money.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 02:00 PM
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Ya money talks.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JD Dearden
Ya money talks.

bingo, do what sets yourself and you family for the most success
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 02:11 PM
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annn bull pucky walks thanks guys I just need a little reassurance that I am right to go were the money is my old boss is giving me a bad time because he is usually right and lets me figure things out for my self it will be sad to see him go after working for him for so long but i cant wait to be the guy in the office and running down the highway. One this is for sure it will be a god send not living pay check to pay check
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 03:04 PM
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Use your integrity and good common horse sense. It's your life and your future.............

In most, but not all, cases there is a good way to make everyone happy, or at least accept the circumstance.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 06:38 PM
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Since you are talking about only 13 bucks an hour, this isn't a major career move. And since this can't be a really great job in either direction, they may not do this, but before I would go into a job with only a nebulous promise of a managers positition I would want all these promises in writing.
Especially if the change is supposed to come after the new owner takes over. Based on your explanation, you are going to work for the old guy, so he looks good when it changes hands, and he is making promises that he cannot enforce, when the new guy gets there. the new guy may just look at you and say "Manager? I don't need no stinking manager. I have my sister's worthless kid to put to work in that job. Get back to pushing that broom, boy...."

Best of luck.
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 08:15 PM
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I wondered if you weren't at the feed store...

Anyway, if you aren't getting the hours you need, they can't expect you to stick around.

I'd still be sure to give 2 weeks notice, maybe longer if they need it to find a replacement.

It might also pay to look around and see what else is out there. Does either position have medical/retirement?
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Hankpac
Since you are talking about only 13 bucks an hour, this isn't a major career move. And since this can't be a really great job in either direction, they may not do this, but before I would go into a job with only a nebulous promise of a managers positition I would want all these promises in writing.
Especially if the change is supposed to come after the new owner takes over. Based on your explanation, you are going to work for the old guy, so he looks good when it changes hands, and he is making promises that he cannot enforce, when the new guy gets there. the new guy may just look at you and say "Manager? I don't need no stinking manager. I have my sister's worthless kid to put to work in that job. Get back to pushing that broom, boy...."

Best of luck.
I have to disagree with Hank on the career move, any move up is positive and good for you, so if all works out, go for it.

I do agree though that you must get it all in writing (dates when raises occur, dates when the title will change, etc....). Otherwise it may just go down as Hank stated above.

I've negotiated many many "offers" to employees, and putting it in writing always seals the deal. Get it in writing and go for it!!
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Old Apr 18, 2007 | 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Hankpac
Since you are talking about only 13 bucks an hour, this isn't a major career move. And since this can't be a really great job in either direction, they may not do this, but before I would go into a job with only a nebulous promise of a managers positition I would want all these promises in writing.
Especially if the change is supposed to come after the new owner takes over. Based on your explanation, you are going to work for the old guy, so he looks good when it changes hands, and he is making promises that he cannot enforce, when the new guy gets there. the new guy may just look at you and say "Manager? I don't need no stinking manager. I have my sister's worthless kid to put to work in that job. Get back to pushing that broom, boy...."

Best of luck.
Man aint you a kick in the junk I cant help it I am a blue collar guy and the best I can do is 14 guess I will keep my thoughts to my self from now.
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Old Apr 19, 2007 | 08:35 AM
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DC, It didn't sound to me like Hankpac was trying to kick you because of your job choices. I've been where you are (blue-collar job and LOTS of hours) and got burned out on it after a few years. You may be one of those who thrive on it, it just wasn't for me. It looked to me like Hank's primary warning, like many of the others who posted, was to make sure that you get those promises in writing. Personally, I would have some concerns about going back to an old job but since you've said that it's a new owner who wants to hire you, that changes the situation a bit. I'd say to treat your current and future employers the way that you would want to be treated if you were the employer and then do what you will enjoy. Money is important but if you hate the job, they can't pay you enough to make it worth your time. I'd also encourage you to not limit yourself by saying that the best you can do is $14. You are limited in large part by yourself. In my case, I went back to school and then ended up getting a job totally unrelated to my field of study but one that pays me much better and that lets me work 40-50 hrs per week rather than 60-80. For me, it was the right choice and now I'm a blue-collar guy with a white-collar job. You'll have to make that choice for yourself but don't let your thinking limit yourself. Best of luck in the choices that you make.
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