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Beaver
So after the big rain storms last week that gave us about 12" of rain in 3 days or so, my 1/2 acre pond that is stream feed kept overflowing. It has an 18" pipe that is the outflow.
Well i noticed the grate that keeps stuff from gettin in the outflow kept gettin clogged up with mud and sticks.
One night while unclogging the grate i heard a big splash in the middle of the lake so i got my spot light and looked into the pond and guess what was starin back at me, a Freakin Beaver
so every morning and night i had to clean out the outflow and where it was comming over the banks and flooding the yard, he was damming that up as well.
So i hired a trapper and he caught him and relocated him to the Big Gunpowder river.
Now my outflow is pretty clogged and the pond is still overflowing. Anybody got any ideas how to clear it?
it is in a hole about 5'deep 6' long and 3' wide and the pipe is at the bottom of it and full of water, it comes out about 300' down stream.
This is the outlaw. Trapped
Well i noticed the grate that keeps stuff from gettin in the outflow kept gettin clogged up with mud and sticks.
One night while unclogging the grate i heard a big splash in the middle of the lake so i got my spot light and looked into the pond and guess what was starin back at me, a Freakin Beaver
so every morning and night i had to clean out the outflow and where it was comming over the banks and flooding the yard, he was damming that up as well.
So i hired a trapper and he caught him and relocated him to the Big Gunpowder river.
Now my outflow is pretty clogged and the pond is still overflowing. Anybody got any ideas how to clear it?
it is in a hole about 5'deep 6' long and 3' wide and the pipe is at the bottom of it and full of water, it comes out about 300' down stream.
This is the outlaw. Trapped
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Let me see if I have this right: The outflow grate is at the bottom of a pit. When the water in the pond is deep enough, the water spills over the walls and runs down the drain? If that's the case, can you erect a temporary extension on the walls, pump out the pit, clean the drain grate, then remove the extensions?
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the grate is at the top of the pit. water spills throught the grate and into the pit, before the Beaver the water ran right through the pit now the pit is full and the pipe is at the bottom (runs horizontal) of the pit.
Next time if there is another Beaver i am just gonna shoot him as soon as i see him and not be as nice as the first time.
the water ran right through the pit now the pit is full and the pipe is at the bottom (runs horizontal) of the pit.Next time if there is another Beaver
i am just gonna shoot him as soon as i see him and not be as nice as the first time.
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Not a solution to your dilema,...
But you're not the only one with beaver problems.
This IS a true story.
And His Reply:
But you're not the only one with beaver problems.
This IS a true story.
STATE OF MICHIGAN
Reply to: GRAND RAPIDS DISTRICT OFFICE STATE OFFICE BUILDING 6TH FLOOR
350 OTTAWA NW GRAND RAPIDS MI 49503-2341
JOHN ENGLER, Governor
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
HOLLISTER BUILDING, PO BOX 30473, LANSING MI 48909-7973
INTERNET: http://www.deq.state.mi
RUSSELL J. HARDING, Director
December 17, 1997
CERTIFIED
Mr. Ryan DeVries 2088 Dagget Pierson, MI 49339
Dear Mr. DeVries:
SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023-1 T11N, R10W, Sec. 20, Montcalm County
It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:
Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files show that no permits have been issued.
Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris dams and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all unauthorized activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the strewn channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 1998. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request, or any further unauthorized activity on the site, may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.
Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
David L. Price
District Representative Land and Water Management Division
Reply to: GRAND RAPIDS DISTRICT OFFICE STATE OFFICE BUILDING 6TH FLOOR
350 OTTAWA NW GRAND RAPIDS MI 49503-2341
JOHN ENGLER, Governor
DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY
HOLLISTER BUILDING, PO BOX 30473, LANSING MI 48909-7973
INTERNET: http://www.deq.state.mi
RUSSELL J. HARDING, Director
December 17, 1997
CERTIFIED
Mr. Ryan DeVries 2088 Dagget Pierson, MI 49339
Dear Mr. DeVries:
SUBJECT: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023-1 T11N, R10W, Sec. 20, Montcalm County
It has come to the attention of the Department of Environmental Quality that there has been recent unauthorized activity on the above referenced parcel of property. You have been certified as the legal landowner and/or contractor who did the following unauthorized activity:
Construction and maintenance of two wood debris dams across the outlet stream of Spring Pond. A permit must be issued prior to the start of this type of activity. A review of the Department's files show that no permits have been issued.
Therefore, the Department has determined that this activity is in violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated. The Department has been informed that one or both of the dams partially failed during a recent rain event, causing debris dams and flooding at downstream locations. We find that dams of this nature are inherently hazardous and cannot be permitted. The Department therefore orders you to cease and desist all unauthorized activities at this location, and to restore the stream to a free-flow condition by removing all wood and brush forming the dams from the strewn channel. All restoration work shall be completed no later than January 31, 1998. Please notify this office when the restoration has been completed so that a follow-up site inspection may be scheduled by our staff. Failure to comply with this request, or any further unauthorized activity on the site, may result in this case being referred for elevated enforcement action. We anticipate and would appreciate your full cooperation in this matter.
Please feel free to contact me at this office if you have any questions.
Sincerely,
David L. Price
District Representative Land and Water Management Division
Dear Mr. Price:
Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20; Montcalm County
Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response.
First of all, Mr. Ryan DeVries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan - I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, nor authorize, their dam project, I think they would be highly offended you call their skillful use of natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge you to attempt to emulate their dam project any dam time and/or any dam place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no dam way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.
As to your dam request the beavers first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity, my first dam question to you is: are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or do you require all dam beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, please send me completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated.
My first concern is - aren't the dam beavers entitled to dam legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said dam representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing dam flooding is proof we should leave the dam Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling them dam names. If you want the dam stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition - contact the dam beavers - but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any dam attention to your dam letter-being unable to read English) - be sure you read them their dam Miranda rights first.
As for me, I am not going to cause more dam flooding or dam debris jams by interfering with these dam builders. If you want to hurt these dam beavers - be aware I am sending a copy of your dam letter and this response to PETA. If your dam Department seriously finds all dams of this nature inherently hazardous and truly will not permit their existence in this dam State - I seriously hope you are not selectively enforcing this dam policy, or once again both I and the Spring Pond Beavers will scream prejudice!
In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their dam unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green, and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I to live and enjoy Spring Pond. So, as far as I and the beavers are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more dam elevated enforcement action now. Why wait until 1/31/98? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and there will be no dam way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem: bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the dam beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.
Sincerely,
Stephen L. Tvedten
Re: DEQ File No. 97-59-0023; T11N, R10W, Sec 20; Montcalm County
Your certified letter dated 12/17/97 has been handed to me to respond to. You sent out a great deal of carbon copies to a lot of people, but you neglected to include their addresses. You will, therefore, have to send them a copy of my response.
First of all, Mr. Ryan DeVries is not the legal landowner and/or contractor at 2088 Dagget, Pierson, Michigan - I am the legal owner and a couple of beavers are in the (State unauthorized) process of constructing and maintaining two wood "debris" dams across the outlet stream of my Spring Pond. While I did not pay for, nor authorize, their dam project, I think they would be highly offended you call their skillful use of natural building materials "debris." I would like to challenge you to attempt to emulate their dam project any dam time and/or any dam place you choose. I believe I can safely state there is no dam way you could ever match their dam skills, their dam resourcefulness, their dam ingenuity, their dam persistence, their dam determination and/or their dam work ethic.
As to your dam request the beavers first must fill out a dam permit prior to the start of this type of dam activity, my first dam question to you is: are you trying to discriminate against my Spring Pond Beavers or do you require all dam beavers throughout this State to conform to said dam request? If you are not discriminating against these particular beavers, please send me completed copies of all those other applicable beaver dam permits. Perhaps we will see if there really is a dam violation of Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resource and Environmental Protection Act, Act 451 of the Public Acts of 1994, being sections 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws annotated.
My first concern is - aren't the dam beavers entitled to dam legal representation? The Spring Pond Beavers are financially destitute and are unable to pay for said dam representation - so the State will have to provide them with a dam lawyer. The Department's dam concern that either one or both of the dams failed during a recent rain event causing dam flooding is proof we should leave the dam Spring Pond Beavers alone rather than harassing them and calling them dam names. If you want the dam stream "restored" to a dam free-flow condition - contact the dam beavers - but if you are going to arrest them (they obviously did not pay any dam attention to your dam letter-being unable to read English) - be sure you read them their dam Miranda rights first.
As for me, I am not going to cause more dam flooding or dam debris jams by interfering with these dam builders. If you want to hurt these dam beavers - be aware I am sending a copy of your dam letter and this response to PETA. If your dam Department seriously finds all dams of this nature inherently hazardous and truly will not permit their existence in this dam State - I seriously hope you are not selectively enforcing this dam policy, or once again both I and the Spring Pond Beavers will scream prejudice!
In my humble opinion, the Spring Pond Beavers have a right to build their dam unauthorized dams as long as the sky is blue, the grass is green, and water flows downstream. They have more dam right than I to live and enjoy Spring Pond. So, as far as I and the beavers are concerned, this dam case can be referred for more dam elevated enforcement action now. Why wait until 1/31/98? The Spring Pond Beavers may be under the dam ice then, and there will be no dam way for you or your dam staff to contact/harass them then. In conclusion, I would like to bring to your attention a real environmental quality (health) problem: bears are actually defecating in our woods. I definitely believe you should be persecuting the defecating bears and leave the dam beavers alone. If you are going to investigate the beaver dam, watch your step! (The bears are not careful where they dump!) Being unable to comply with your dam request, and being unable to contact you on your dam answering machine, I am sending this response to your dam office.
Sincerely,
Stephen L. Tvedten
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Yes the grate can be removed and i have gotten in there and reached in as far as i can reach with a hoe, but it is still clogged. the concrete pipe is 18" and runs underground about 300'.
Beavers are a nuisance and since hunting and trapping are no longer as popular for their fur they are thriving in places they don't belong.
did i tell you how much i hate Beavers!
Beavers are a nuisance and since hunting and trapping are no longer as popular for their fur they are thriving in places they don't belong.
did i tell you how much i hate Beavers!
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beavers usually work in pairs. if you only caught one, you may have another still hard at work every night. a friend of mine had a whole pack (family, flock, herd) move in/take over in his creek. he bought a trap, studied up how to use it, and caught about a dozen.
not sure if this will help you or not - just sort of an idea... another friend needed to clean out a tunnel on a construction site going under the road, washed in full of mud, big rocks, sticks, trash. They were able to poke around and get a cable through it, used the cable to pull in a chain, hooked a chain to a steel truck rim, and pulled it through with a dozer.
maybe a telescoping paint pole, electrical shutoff, or tree triming pole w/ a hoe or hook on the end ?
not sure if this will help you or not - just sort of an idea... another friend needed to clean out a tunnel on a construction site going under the road, washed in full of mud, big rocks, sticks, trash. They were able to poke around and get a cable through it, used the cable to pull in a chain, hooked a chain to a steel truck rim, and pulled it through with a dozer.
maybe a telescoping paint pole, electrical shutoff, or tree triming pole w/ a hoe or hook on the end ?
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Cant really help with your problem but feel your pain. Have had several problems with beavers over the years. We have a family cabin and there is a pond right below and just above it with a creek running between the two that runs right in front of the cabin. Cant be more than 100 yards or so between the two. The upper pond is about 1/2 an acre the lower about 1 1/2 acres in size. Beaver are fairly common in the area and every once in a while one will decide to dam up the creek right in front of the cabin where there is a little walking bridge. They also like to **** up the outlet of the upper pod as well once in a while. Guess it isnt deep enough for their liking. When they dam the upper pond it runs around the end of the real dam. The water runoff from the new spillway runs right to the cabin. Talk about a major pain to get rid of thier work. Once they start the only thing you can do is get rid of the beavers. You can tear it down or clean it out everyday and next morning it will be back. While they are cool to watch work and what they do is amazing they can be a real pita if their work is endangering your property.
