I think the only way the japanese will ever pull a truck is like "Iron Crotch" Jin-Sheng does.

Toyota cheerleading is pointless. Lots of die-hard truck enthusiasts are glad this project has been put on the back burner, including me. There fear of Brand Loyalists hurting sales of any diesel truck is on target. Im doin all I can and im training recruits (5 kids I can mold just like me).

 

Yeah but the 6.0, and 6.4 have a 2000 rpm peak tq... TOO HIGH

 

Who cares if Acura comes out with a diesel?! With diesel 60 cents more than unleaded I would buy a fuel efficient car over a diesel car anyday.

 

Wouldn't it be simpler just to buy a Hino ? What Toyota dealerships would be able to service that truck ?

 

The catch with this is that it liekly will achieve 38 - 40 mpg verses 28 - 30 mpg gas. The question that remains is what will maintance cost on this over the life of the car? The TDi VW's seem quite a bit higher maintance (special oil, T-belt changes, EGR system cleaning and electrical problems) then something like a standard Accord. If Honda can put a reliable, low maintance diesel out that still manages about 20% better efficiency, it may be worth the cost.

 

How about a 110 mpg Jeep diesel hybrid ? http://www.autobloggreen.com/2008/01...-diesel-re-ev/

 

Yea exactly. You also have to take into account the higher price of diesel. But actually a new gas car can get better than 30 mpg. The new Civics can get 37-38 all hwy these days. I just filled up our 2000 Accord V6. 34.07 mpg!! That's hand calculated, all hwy with the A/C on the whole way doing about 68-72 mph. I was really impressed.

 

Impressive mileage! I have a 4-cylinder EX 5-speed that I've manged a hand-calculated 36 mpg out of once, although normal highway is around 33 - 35mpg. I haven't heard of a V6 auto from these years getting over 30. Nice work! How many miles on yours? Mine is just under 160k right now.

 

The new FULL size bimmer is supposed to get 43 mpg with it's diesel engine. I can't stand the little cars myself. I'd much rather have a larger E320 or the Bimmer than a small gasser car that gets mid 30s. My Wifes 99 Buick Regal GS with the supercharged 3800 will knock down 30-31 mpg on the highway, has 150,000 miles and runs in the high 13s. The Bimmer is bigger than our Regal.

 

Thanks. I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic. But I really did get this mileage. I must say it's a record though. Usually I consistently get 29 mpg all hwy. The car has 85k miles on it. We're the original owner. Always maintained. Mobil-1 synthetic every 5-6000 miles, Honda oil filter, tranny fluid drain & refill every other oil change, tranny cooler and filter, short ram intake, and throttle body spacer (for sound). I also keep the tires inflated to 35 psi cold.

Now this time I filled up at Shell. Usually I fill at Costco, Mobil, or Arco. Do you think different gas stations could really have an effect?

 

Any Toyota dealer that sold the truck would service it. Remember, at one point, no Dodge dealers sold the Cummins either.

 

My 89 LeBaron puts up those kind of numbers with 18 year old technology.

 

Don't expect to get service for a 4500 or 5500 at any just Dodge dealer . Like you said , any Toyota dealer that sold the truck would service it but Toyota isn't about to require their dealership service departments to accommodate a truck that size when Hino dealerships could handle it . Toyota dealerships aren't hurting for sales . They don't need and don't want a truck that size .

 

Not being sarcastic - this time! Good job on that figure with that car. Being in California helps out some, I have noted the mileage gets knocked down quite a bit, probably 3 - 4 mpg or more in the winter with this car. My 325i with a 2.5L I-6 and a 5-speed would manage 33mpg on the highway, and it was a 1993. It also didn't seem to be affected by the cold the way the Accord is.

Back to topic - I hope the smaller diesel's make the cut. I couldn't care less about a dually tundra. The dealers in my area, both Toyota and Nissan are having a hard time moving 14 - 16 mpg truck these days. What seems like it would make a lot of sense would be a midsize minivan, along the lies of an Sienna or Kia Sendota witha small V6 turbo diesel that could get around 33 mpg. That would be a home-run if it could be done.

 

thank-you!

are there people that SERIOUSLY think this truck is gonna make it to production "as-is"?

Everyone on diesel forums (call us diesel enthusiasts I guess, who go nuts with anything diesel and are well informed about anything diesel) forgets that we represent the tiniest little portion of the prospective diesel buyer market. For every bombed diesel you see driving down the road, theres another 5000 just like it doing regular old work everyday, with the owner not even knowing or caring the slightest bit about it, other than you need to "fill it up with hte green handle". Just because we see this and get all googly eyed and say "OMG THEY SHOULD DEFINETLY BUILD THIS, IT WOULD SELL LIKE CRAZY!!", doesnt mean thats how everyone else feels. Yeah, it would sell like crazy to the two % of us (diesel enthusiasts) who actually know "what it is" and can appreciate the fact that the engine and drivetrain is huge. The rest of the diesel buyer market would just say oh ok...toyota has a diesel now, and its only 300hp? And its only availible with a manual? No thanks...and heads off to the dodge/GM/ford dealer.

I know its really hard to put yourself in the "general market's" shoes, but there is a reason toyota hasnt already made this truck. They are in it for the most money. If there seriously was a huge market for this truck, it would be in production.

ben