My wife went to college in Jaskson TN. There is a large Ford dealership there (Golden Circle Ford) through her church she was "adopted" by the daughter and son-in-law of the people that own the dealership, as far as i know he (the son in law) pretty much runs the dealership. The were in town for one of thier children's soccer tournaments and he was driving an f-250 super duty. After lunch i asked if i could take a peak under the hood. When he popped it, as expected, everything was jam packed in there. Remember i am used to looking at a 1st gen! Everything was shiny and clean the intercooler is very large, plasic ends. We talked a little then he said something i couldn't believe... He said in training to work on the new motor his service techs were trained to, get this, REMOVE THE CAB, for any major service on the truck! I guess the question i have is, i'm sure that the dodge's and chevy's are just as tight, do they require the same type of service? I'm really not trying to bash, it just seems like a tilt front end design or something would be an easier, cheaper way to go!

 

Ford has made mistakes in the past... They worry about somethin so much that they get themselves in a corner they did not recognize... Like when they redesigned back in 1997 and realized that they did not have room for the P-Stroke under that little bitty hood. Now they jam all this stuff under there and you have to whip out a cuttin torch to be able to work on this crap!

DH

 

Fords are easy...

! gallon 89 octane gas

1 book matches

all fixed...I never had so many sleepless nights as when I had my 7.3 ford 350

 

Yes on the diapermax they are now lifting the cab to remove the heads/replace head gaskets but i have never seen or heard of a cab lift for a repair on a cummins/dodge

 

Thats what the one mechanic @ the local ford dealership told me about the 6.0s
that its in the manual to remove the cab to replace the HG.
I also hurd the HGs on those are 5 layers?

 

ya you hafta pull the cabs on them.... but from talking to a buddy that worked for ford for a few years he claims you can pull the cabs on the 6.0's in 2.5-3 hrs.... so maybe ford actually made that part fairly easy...


i guess thats why if u look out back at a lot of ford dealerships you see cabs sitting on pallets quite often...

 

A friend of mine had a late 90's ford F-150 with a 4.6 gas. The head gaskets went out on it and the dealer told him they were going to lift the cab off the truck to get at the heads. I forget what the bill was going to be, but he said screw that idea and traded the truck for a 1500 GMC gasser. I think the dealer wanted $4000.00 to do whatever. The truck was only worth $3000.00 to start with.

 

I bekieve the shop book says to charge 12-14 hrs to remove the cab.

 

i'm gonna have a hard time swapping to anything after these 1st gens! i'm space spoiled

 

It is not just ford. I work for Nissan and the Titan and Armada that is the first step in replacement. I did replace a long block in a titan and was able to do it with out but it was a royal pain then the rear. To top it all off they pay 12.7 warranty flat rate hours to chage the long block.

 

It won't be long before they are all tilt cabs like the big rigs.

Wetspirit

 

Imagine picking up your truck, after a head replacement, by a regular moronic dealership

"Thats my lift, tire & wheel setup........but thats not my cab"

 

Its a straight six though. Its at 12 o clock rather than 10 and 2. That makes more sense it'd be easier to work on.

 

Reasonable to state that the Cummins I6 is longer than the V8 diesels, therefore the 6 should tuck into the firewall farther and have poor access at the rear of the engine and need a tilt cab. Yet this is not the case. The V8 hoods and engine compartments look about the same size as the Dodge. The V8's, being broader and having much more plumbing, deny access under the sides of the engines and to the accessories. This is poor engineering and disregard for the after-sale maintainability requirements of the owners.

 

On the other hand, there will be many more GOOD Ford mechanics looking for a better place to work, perhaps we can get some for DC shops...........

Sorry, I HAVE to try and find a positive.....