Quality of turbos on Ebay
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lol, i just lost my job because of this very thing. anyone know why the best building block for a performance 5.9 build is a pre 98 block? because the 12v blocks where casted here in indy at indianapolis casting corp. way stronger block and the quality was much better. but when u can pay a guy $5.00 a day and put all kinds of pollutants in the air, they can afford to trash 30% of what they make as compaired to the 6% made in the good old US. companys are just to greedy to pay a guy for an honest days work in the us.
NOW... the union guys are losing or have lost their jobs largely in part due to THE UNION MEN screwing the companies over.... Not working hard,and giving the companies an honest day's work for an honest day's pay. NOw I am not saying ALL of the union guys do this, but I have seen this firsthand . WHO can blame the companies for going across the borders and overseas? WE brought this upon ourselves. I don't have an answer for the problems we have,but until the US companies give us the goods we want, and at prices we can afford,we will be forced to go elsewhere. WHAT in the world are the US automakers thinking when they turn out massive gas pigs like the ford excursion and chevy suburban and such when we want pickups,suvs,and small vehicles with simple engines such as the cummins 4BT ????
Think about it... How many of us out there want something RELIABLE,EASY TO WORK ON,and FUEL EFFICIENT??????????? ALL OF US !!!!!!!
HOW STUPID CAN THE US AUTOMAKERS BE?????
I have to stop.... I am beginning to rant.
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Well as a former union man I can say this much.... when unions were first formed,they were formed to protect the worker from companies that were taking advantage of them,and to provide for a safe working environment.
NOW... the union guys are losing or have lost their jobs largely in part due to THE UNION MEN screwing the companies over.... Not working hard,and giving the companies an honest day's work for an honest day's pay. NOw I am not saying ALL of the union guys do this, but I have seen this firsthand . WHO can blame the companies for going across the borders and overseas? WE brought this upon ourselves. I don't have an answer for the problems we have,but until the US companies give us the goods we want, and at prices we can afford,we will be forced to go elsewhere. WHAT in the world are the US automakers thinking when they turn out massive gas pigs like the ford excursion and chevy suburban and such when we want pickups,suvs,and small vehicles with simple engines such as the cummins 4BT ????
Think about it... How many of us out there want something RELIABLE,EASY TO WORK ON,and FUEL EFFICIENT??????????? ALL OF US !!!!!!!
HOW STUPID CAN THE US AUTOMAKERS BE?????
I have to stop.... I am beginning to rant.
NOW... the union guys are losing or have lost their jobs largely in part due to THE UNION MEN screwing the companies over.... Not working hard,and giving the companies an honest day's work for an honest day's pay. NOw I am not saying ALL of the union guys do this, but I have seen this firsthand . WHO can blame the companies for going across the borders and overseas? WE brought this upon ourselves. I don't have an answer for the problems we have,but until the US companies give us the goods we want, and at prices we can afford,we will be forced to go elsewhere. WHAT in the world are the US automakers thinking when they turn out massive gas pigs like the ford excursion and chevy suburban and such when we want pickups,suvs,and small vehicles with simple engines such as the cummins 4BT ????
Think about it... How many of us out there want something RELIABLE,EASY TO WORK ON,and FUEL EFFICIENT??????????? ALL OF US !!!!!!!
HOW STUPID CAN THE US AUTOMAKERS BE?????
I have to stop.... I am beginning to rant.
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And some guys wonder why I will spend more money and buy Mac or Snap-On when it comes to my tools for work when I can get the same thing at Princess Auto (Made in China Auto) for a fraction of the price. I can't stand cheap Chinese made crap
I go out of my way to buy Canadian or American made goods. The Japanese are good too, at least they take pride in their stuff.
I go out of my way to buy Canadian or American made goods. The Japanese are good too, at least they take pride in their stuff.
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And some guys wonder why I will spend more money and buy Mac or Snap-On when it comes to my tools for work when I can get the same thing at Princess Auto (Made in China Auto) for a fraction of the price. I can't stand cheap Chinese made crap
I go out of my way to buy Canadian or American made goods. The Japanese are good too, at least they take pride in their stuff.
I go out of my way to buy Canadian or American made goods. The Japanese are good too, at least they take pride in their stuff.
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GCSS, go to the turbo forums, lots of Junkyard guys there homebrewing turbo setups.
Don't take our word for it, read the guys who buy the Ebay turbos.
Then think about taking your 5-20K engine out because of a 395 dollar Turbo.
Won't catch one on my 1500 dollar homebrew Turbo setup, much less my Cummins.
Don't take our word for it, read the guys who buy the Ebay turbos.
Then think about taking your 5-20K engine out because of a 395 dollar Turbo.
Won't catch one on my 1500 dollar homebrew Turbo setup, much less my Cummins.
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GCSS, go to the turbo forums, lots of Junkyard guys there homebrewing turbo setups.
Don't take our word for it, read the guys who buy the Ebay turbos.
Then think about taking your 5-20K engine out because of a 395 dollar Turbo.
Won't catch one on my 1500 dollar homebrew Turbo setup, much less my Cummins.
Don't take our word for it, read the guys who buy the Ebay turbos.
Then think about taking your 5-20K engine out because of a 395 dollar Turbo.
Won't catch one on my 1500 dollar homebrew Turbo setup, much less my Cummins.
I am thinking that, when the time does come (IF IT COMES) , I will rebuild my turbo or send it off to get rebuilt.
If there were quite a few guys chiming in and saying the turbos were great, I might have tried one.
Of course there are too many biased turbo SELLERS here to do any honest research on the ebay turbos. There were NO pics of exploded turbos namely... EBAY turbos partucularily. So in light of all the doubt raised along with chinas' tarnished reputation for quality, I will stay with my turbo
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And some guys wonder why I will spend more money and buy Mac or Snap-On when it comes to my tools for work when I can get the same thing at Princess Auto (Made in China Auto) for a fraction of the price. I can't stand cheap Chinese made crap
I go out of my way to buy Canadian or American made goods. The Japanese are good too, at least they take pride in their stuff.
I go out of my way to buy Canadian or American made goods. The Japanese are good too, at least they take pride in their stuff.
I saw the shipping container of plumbing supplies that came out of the Snap-On factory when they moved manufacturing to China! If in doubt, check it out. It was in Mt. Carmel, IL. All tooling, machines, and foundry gone. Building (six acres under one roof) sold to demo. company.
Maybe they'll change their name to Snap-Off, who knows.
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Be real careful of the bold statements you make.
I saw the shipping container of plumbing supplies that came out of the Snap-On factory when they moved manufacturing to China! If in doubt, check it out. It was in Mt. Carmel, IL. All tooling, machines, and foundry gone. Building (six acres under one roof) sold to demo. company.
Maybe they'll change their name to Snap-Off, who knows.
I saw the shipping container of plumbing supplies that came out of the Snap-On factory when they moved manufacturing to China! If in doubt, check it out. It was in Mt. Carmel, IL. All tooling, machines, and foundry gone. Building (six acres under one roof) sold to demo. company.
Maybe they'll change their name to Snap-Off, who knows.
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I have a friend in Perth, Australia who has dealt in const. equipment all his life. Here is an opinion he made on another BB a few weeks ago in a similar discussion. Something to think about.
The greatest single problem with Chinese manufacturing is the Asian desire for absolute cheapness in everything they do. They do not believe in .. neither will they support .. QUALITY .. in anything they touch.
You see this in everything that Asians sell. They are only interested in QUANTITY, not QUALITY.
To produce quality from an Asian manufacturing operation, there is a need for constant and unrelenting supervision by Western company executives to ensure that quality and standards are being met, as specified by the design engineers and buyers. In manufacturing, this Asian problem is known as "Quality Fade".
The Chinese will produce the first example of what the buyer orders, at the required standard of finish, and material quality .. but when it comes to full production .. cheaper materials are substituted .. finished product standards are allowed to slip .. and the product then becomes a problem to the buyer .. as the customer then becomes the companies QC dept .. as the customers discard item after item .. because the item no longer does the job for which it was designed to do, or fails on a regular basis.
The Chinese will eventually learn that there are quality standards that must be adhered to, if they want to equal the West. How long that takes, is anyone's guess.
They do not currently understand that numerous products require a high level of quality that cannot be reduced, just to improve their profits. I have not yet seen Chinese Caterpillar parts that have fallen prey to this bogey, but no doubt it will come. Cat QC is world class, but it needs unrelenting efforts to ensure that Chinese factories making Cat parts don't fall prey to "Quality Fade".
I note that Cat are reluctant to introduce Chinese-built Cats to the Western world, and are just "placing a toe in the water", with the gradual introduction of some Chinese-sourced Cat parts to Western buyers.
Perkins have found out all about the pitfalls of Chinese manufacturing .. with a sizable amount of unauthorized, and poor-quality Perkins engines and parts, now reaching the Western world and creating huge problems for Perkins. This was due to outright fraud on the part of the Chinese partners, and a typical "Quality Fade" problem resulted.
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The greatest single problem with Chinese manufacturing is the Asian desire for absolute cheapness in everything they do. They do not believe in .. neither will they support .. QUALITY .. in anything they touch.
You see this in everything that Asians sell. They are only interested in QUANTITY, not QUALITY.
To produce quality from an Asian manufacturing operation, there is a need for constant and unrelenting supervision by Western company executives to ensure that quality and standards are being met, as specified by the design engineers and buyers. In manufacturing, this Asian problem is known as "Quality Fade".
The Chinese will produce the first example of what the buyer orders, at the required standard of finish, and material quality .. but when it comes to full production .. cheaper materials are substituted .. finished product standards are allowed to slip .. and the product then becomes a problem to the buyer .. as the customer then becomes the companies QC dept .. as the customers discard item after item .. because the item no longer does the job for which it was designed to do, or fails on a regular basis.
The Chinese will eventually learn that there are quality standards that must be adhered to, if they want to equal the West. How long that takes, is anyone's guess.
They do not currently understand that numerous products require a high level of quality that cannot be reduced, just to improve their profits. I have not yet seen Chinese Caterpillar parts that have fallen prey to this bogey, but no doubt it will come. Cat QC is world class, but it needs unrelenting efforts to ensure that Chinese factories making Cat parts don't fall prey to "Quality Fade".
I note that Cat are reluctant to introduce Chinese-built Cats to the Western world, and are just "placing a toe in the water", with the gradual introduction of some Chinese-sourced Cat parts to Western buyers.
Perkins have found out all about the pitfalls of Chinese manufacturing .. with a sizable amount of unauthorized, and poor-quality Perkins engines and parts, now reaching the Western world and creating huge problems for Perkins. This was due to outright fraud on the part of the Chinese partners, and a typical "Quality Fade" problem resulted.
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im going to go alittle off the turbo subject and ask you guys what you think of my situation. i was working in a union foundry for 13 yrs in the electric melt. to give u an idea of the work contitions im a fairly athletic, inshape 32 yr old and i am not kidding when i say ive had some sort of injury from working in there for the last 6-7 yrs of it. not to mention all the crap we where breathing. the only thing i can compare it to would be putting hay in the loft on a 100 degree day. it sucked! the company basically said we r shutting down if u dont take a 42% pay cut. i was making 21.70 something do u think? i thought $21 was pretty fair considering the work conditions, its not like we where making $ 28 to sit on an assembly line.
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My friend bought a cheap china turbo for his turbo streetbike project.
He used it for mock up only after he seen the quality.
Now he's trying to give it to me for free to get it out of his shop.
So they make good paperweights, thats about it.
He ended up buying a Garrett turbo after already spending $150-$200 on the cheap china junk. That's an expensive paperweight!
He used it for mock up only after he seen the quality.
Now he's trying to give it to me for free to get it out of his shop.
So they make good paperweights, thats about it.
He ended up buying a Garrett turbo after already spending $150-$200 on the cheap china junk. That's an expensive paperweight!
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im going to go alittle off the turbo subject and ask you guys what you think of my situation. i was working in a union foundry for 13 yrs in the electric melt. to give u an idea of the work contitions im a fairly athletic, inshape 32 yr old and i am not kidding when i say ive had some sort of injury from working in there for the last 6-7 yrs of it. not to mention all the crap we where breathing. the only thing i can compare it to would be putting hay in the loft on a 100 degree day. it sucked! the company basically said we r shutting down if u dont take a 42% pay cut. i was making 21.70 something do u think? i thought $21 was pretty fair considering the work conditions, its not like we where making $ 28 to sit on an assembly line.
32 years old and in good shape, if you have any intelligence at all,you would be what I consider employable.
You are working in a unhealthy environment. Like alot of jobs there are many different hazards involved. Some damage you psychologically,some physically. some not at all. Usually your education will enable you to have a choice. MY advice to you. Go back to school and get educated or degreed in something you like to do. That way ,when you return to work,it will not be "work".
Good luck!
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I am thinking that, when the time does come (IF IT COMES) , I will rebuild my turbo or send it off to get rebuilt.
If there were quite a few guys chiming in and saying the turbos were great, I might have tried one.
Of course there are too many biased turbo SELLERS here to do any honest research on the ebay turbos. There were NO pics of exploded turbos namely... EBAY turbos partucularily. So in light of all the doubt raised along with chinas' tarnished reputation for quality, I will stay with my turbo
If there were quite a few guys chiming in and saying the turbos were great, I might have tried one.
Of course there are too many biased turbo SELLERS here to do any honest research on the ebay turbos. There were NO pics of exploded turbos namely... EBAY turbos partucularily. So in light of all the doubt raised along with chinas' tarnished reputation for quality, I will stay with my turbo
I think you should man up, buy one of those turbos and then prove us all wrong
Since you wish to ONLY hear from people that will tell you it is a good idea to waste your money on Cheap Chinese junk, why don't you put in any future threads that you only want to hear POSITIVE responses 
That way you can go ahead and buy the junk thinking you did real well and then come back and blame us for not warning you in the first place 
Sort of makes as much sense as blaming the auto makers for following Federal laws and no longer using the 4bt engines doesn't it?