You are to funny! First you say GM trucks cost $10,000 more then Dodge, then you say GM discounts there trucks 30% or more in order to sale them. So what makes the dodge worth $10,000 less then GM? And at the so low price, why can't they sale half as many as GM? Don't get me wrong, I believe that the Dodge truck is a very good truck, it`s just that you make it sound like it isn't a worthy competitor with its very low price, and low sales numbers.

GM had a cult that will pay anything, yet they discount 30+%?

 

um, last time i checked their "rehashed pushrod technology" is making more power naturally aspirated with a 2valve head than fords "high output" supercharged OH-cammed 3 and 4 valve/cylinder engines. their "rehashed pushrod technology" has proved itself on street, dragstrip and roadcoarses across the country, the LS1 and LS2 cater to both the budget EFI crate small block and the all out twin-turbo 800-1200hp performance platform for any hotrods/musclecars and race cars. i'd say that's pretty dang flexible for being rehashed.

one more thing, that's your own fault for buying a domestic small economy car. americans have always specialized in building things BIG, that's why the big 3 trucks and SUV's have always had the lead; the foreign companies specialize in making little cars. it's an unarguable, sad-but-true fact that the domestic companies have compromised like crazy and put a hefty price tag on their little cars just so they can be in a different spectrum of the market because there's a demand for small cars here too. even with motorcycles, if you want something reliable, inexpensive, sporty and efficient you have to get something japanese, there's no way around that.

i've owned a '91 chevy beretta, a '94 ferd exploder, '93 S10 and a late 90something acura integra. as much as i hate integras for their rice-rocket image it was the quickest, most fuel efficient, cheapest and required the least amount of maintenance/repair with the exception of the S10 on all but efficient, that thing only got 20mpg but had an amazing amount of torque for a v-6 (4.3L).

 

Look at the thread from today "getting noiser" .

 

all of you can go spend mega amounts of money on a new truck and so on but my old ctd 92 4x4 has no liens against it. i owe nothing. its mine. maybe i should guage it and bomb it

 

Heck yes....What the heck are you waiting for? Let the Bombing begin. Sides better do it while ya still are allowed to. And diesel isnt $10/gal.

 

I just sold my 2003 F450 Lariat 4x4 Crew Cab with 6.0L Powerstroke last week . . . . . when it ran, it ran great. I have $55K in that truck. It started leaking oil at 15K, and I had it into Ford 6 times before I decided to sell it. This last time, they had it for two months and had to pull the motor. The truck had 53K miles on it. The upper and lower ball joints had to be replaced ($1000), fuel pump went out, was leaking coolant, had the rear main seal replaced 3 times, front crank seal replaced twice. I feel comfortable with the Cummins, and the MegaCab won me over. 1120 miles on my FirstDodge, and keeping my fingers crossed.

 

I'll get flamed for this but whatever. when diesel power mag. compared all 3 the d-max was $3500 cheaper (laramie vs LT), made peak torque at the wheels 300 rpm lower, and got almost 2mpg better milage. those are the facts that they found.

 

you shouldn't get flamed but i wouldn't be surprised. i saw that article. it's been good to see the improvements they've made on the dmax since it was introduced. if i were looking for a new truck for going fast and being comfortable, just for light street use, I'd probably get the Dmax, it's pretty dang good now. however, for what I do with my truck, the inline is a superior engine design no matter who makes it and I like the coil sprung straight axle.
I don't remember, though, was that test with autos or sticks?

 

Here's what bugged me, a bit off topic but it shows you where some dealers are at.

I go to the local Chevy dealer to look at a DMAX. The sales guy puts me in the back, wife in the front and spends the next 45 minutes telling her how good OnStar is. When he finally shutup, we left.

Dodge dealer? Told me to go find the truck I liked, gave me the key, told me to have fun while test driving it, would talk to me later. Hmmmmm, 30 minutes later I bought it.

Maybe an a-typical experience but I liked that the Dodge guy let the truck sell itself.

A second note. Went to the local fair last week and the displayed 2500 HD DMAX was priced at a $49,800 B4 rebates. B4 rebates???? It did have a lot of bells and whistles but what's up with the 80s style plastic dashboard.

Anyway, my truck cost me $37 out the door. I will use the extra $14K+ to buy my next 70K miles of diesel, thanks Dodge.

 

Dealer plays a big part. I think at times bigger than brand name. I like dodge alot, but when i was looking the local dodge dealer had the screw up of a salesman. I think for right now the duramax is ahead in the performance department. dodge will leapfrog soon i am sure. With all the emissions crap who knows where things will go.

Jon, i believe the comparison was all auto trannys, but i will check.

 

Wait until the new 6.7l comes out and the new 6spd Asian/68re comes out and then the results will be different. The Dodge only lost by a very small margin with the 4spd!! The new 6spd will make the new (more Powerful Cummins) a whole lot better in the hill climb and the drag's!!! Or why not just test 6spd manuals at a roll of say 30mph and climb the hill-----all with 3.73 ratio's!

 

I think competiton is a good thing. It brings us more horsepower, torque, tow ratings. DC gets better, as GM ups the bar. Ford seems like they are stuck in reverse with the 6 UH-OH!(snap, crackle, pop, explode).
It would seem the era of low emmision diesels is here. If you remeber the 70's with gassers, that was the pits.
I hope the complexity going into these will not hurt durability, only time will tell.
I will keep my 02 a long, long time. It can burn $1.75/gal Pemex. Some things on the Border are good!

My vote: 1. CTD/Dodge 2. Chevy 3. Do not finish
If Ford gets the engine right, they would be tough as they seem like they got the rest right. Good truck, bad motor= No Sale(Except for the PT Barnum types.)
ON GM pricing, sometimes someone gets a deal, but most of the time, I think they go out for at least $5k more, up to $10k. Their stock slush box is supposed to be the best.
In truck sales, 1 Ford 2. GM 3. Dodge. I believe that Dodge prices better to try to buy market share, which results in mostly more truck for us for the same money.

 

new 6.7 is rated less or same than the 5.9 is now. i think same torque 5 less hp.

 

'Bout the same as the Chebby now!

https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...d.php?t=114414

 

cool,they must have increased it. the diesel power in spring was 305/610 i believe.