I do like CAT's twin turbos for emissions instead of that stupid EGR

 

And this whole time I've been using the wrong wrenches on all 7 of the 3406 and C-15's we have owned. Anything that needs to be done on ANY engine, even Cat, that requires "Special Cat Tools" should be done by a CAT dealer. (such as setting the timing of a mechanical engine) shade tree mechanics melt stuff.

 

I agree. It's funny how much bias is on these sites. "if Cummins didn't do it, it's junk" crap is funny. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy with my Dodge, but I'm open minded enough to know that others have different ways of doing things.

Cat's method of multiple injecton cycles and twin turbos vs. everyone elses EGR. The easiest way to describe EGR is to shove a garden hose up your backside and breath it, sounds like a good idea huh? Try it on your own time and get back to me.

Cat wanted somthing that would work in the heavy equip. divison also. Put an EGR engine in a bulldozer and I bet the radiator would be bigger than the blade. Twin turbos on a dodge cummins is one of the most sought after upgrades on this site but if you were to paint them yellow they're all of a sudden "junk".

I'm actually a little anti-cummins right now myself though since the only cummins I own besides my dodge, (an N-14) just cost me almost $10,000. because of 2 bad injectors, with just over 500,000 miles.

 

the real thing that would scare me is the lack of knowledge of cats and the only person i know of that has any know how on those is my brother and that was in his diesel tech school. so that would be my biggest deterant. and plus i think the new body style is ugly as all get out compared to a ford or oldbody style dodge(94-02.

 

We have run Cat's in our pete 379's for over 15 years. Before that, we had a set of 379's with Cummins. Out of the 8 or so trucks we've had in that period with Cat's, we have only had problems with one.
We have an 8.3L Cummins in our t300 which has no problems either.
They both make good engines, but we have found that the Cat's are cheaper to maintain and run, and with the emissions problems we again bought Cat once they got their twin turbo issues sorted out with their ACERT. If I'm not mistaken the 05 C15's with ACERT were blowin turbos. It is my understanding that some of the larger Cummins are having more problems, atleast according to our local peterbilt rep. Just our experience.
If they made a light duty engine, it would be my first choice, chevy, dodge, or ford.

 

Yes, simply because Cummins head is "Swelling" The only reason Cummins has the support it does is because they are the only real thing on the block.
Powerstrokes & duramaxes are a rather mish-mash of "Also Rans" Put Cats in
ford or gm & we'll have a little competition.

Caterpillar will make a engine that is easy to work on if it starts putting them
in one of the big three. If they don't people will stick w/Cummins because of being easy to work on. Overall I think most people feel there isn't enough diff
in either to stir up much of a ruckuss. THEY ARE BOTH PROVEN PERFORMERS.

Oh, yeah. I'd like to go w/ ford or chevy just to tell DC to CRAM IT with thier
ATF+4 crap.

COMPETITION IS A GOOD THING FOR AN OPEN MARKET.........

 

I heard that the cat in fords (think its 550's and above) dont even have intercoolers on them, so i think there would be alot of extra horsepower you could get out of them. But as far as heavy equipment go CAT has got cummins beat, I dont know which engine cummin's puts in the Steiger Quadtraxs but it is a dog compared to the CAT Challengers.

 

There is no way that Cat is going to get into the market of pickups in the near future. They continue to sell there ideas as is. Like the cahllenger they sold that to agco just to get rid of all the headaches. Why would they want another one. Also with the prices of Cat parts and dealer prices it would cost you 500$ to fix a broken belt. For a 3406 fitting into a truck there is no chance. They use those in big scrapers like the 627 that wrigh in at about 120,000 pounds. But to tell you the truth if they did I would be the first to go and buy one. No offense but I see the punishment we put through these tractors at work and if they can stand 5,000 hours without a rebuild (some go longer than that) then they can easily withstand 1,000,000 miles in an everday pickup with normal maintenace but for now I'll stick to the cummins.

 

Cummins and Cat both make great engines. I'd take either in a Ram.

We have have a 430hp C-12 Cat in the KW, and it can out pull the Mack CX Vision I drove, that had a E-Tech 427 in it. for a 12 liter, it sure has some guts.