big 3 shoot out on Popular Mechanics
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big 3 shoot out on Popular Mechanics
Sorry if someone already posted this big 3 diesel shoot out. What a bunch of crap. Where were they getting the MPG. I think popular mechanics is owned by GM. I would like to know what you big 3rd gen guys have to say about it and what your towing MPG is. A guy at work was bragging about it, even tho he drives a spark-plug infested chevy.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/4230317.html
http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/4230317.html
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From the results page.......
It looks like the Dodge got negative points for the 6 foot bed, and the fact that it drives like a truck.......Well DUH!!!!.........it IS a truck.
It sounds like they can't make up their minds.
It looks like the Dodge got negative points for the 6 foot bed, and the fact that it drives like a truck.......Well DUH!!!!.........it IS a truck.
If there were a PM award for machismo, our loaded $52,725 Dodge would take the trophy. It was the most ruggedly handsome truck here, with a long cab, short bed proportions and massive wheel flares. But in this test, it’s function that matters. And the 6-ft. 4-in. bed sacrifices some hauling ability for a roomier cab. If moving people is more important than moving stuff, the Dodge trumps them all. This is the crew cab for owners who really need to carry a crew. Those rear doors open wider than the competition’s for easier loading, too.
Despite the people-friendly cabin, though, the Ram’s persona was slightly rough around the edges. It drove more like a commercial-duty rig than the others. Empty or loaded, all it took was one really big pothole to realize the Ram was the most stiff-legged. The driving position is old-school truck—more upright than the others. But we certainly liked the simple, straight-forward interior. At the heart of the Dodge is the all-new Cummins 6.7-liter turbo-diesel inline six-cylinder. The combination made for an unladen quarter-mile time right between the Ford and the GMC. And the Ram’s ultralow torque peak allowed it to scoot to 30 mph quickest. Yet in our braking tests, the Dodge fell behind. The Cummins was slightly noisier at redline than the others but pulled strong under the load of our trailer. The shifts were crisp, if a bit clunky, in tow/haul mode. But that’s easily forgotten when you floor the throttle. The Cummins not only maintained speed on the longest grades, it briskly accelerated our load, leaving cars and SUVs in its wake.
With trailers hitched, the Dodge was much closer to the GMC’s performance. In fact, only two-thirds of a second separated the two in the quarter-mile. And the exhaust brake really helped slow our load on the freeway. The Ram felt relatively nimble, thanks to the quick steering. That made inner-city maneuverability with the 23-ft. trailers a breeze. This is a potent machine; with a bit more polish, it would have topped our score cards.
Despite the people-friendly cabin, though, the Ram’s persona was slightly rough around the edges. It drove more like a commercial-duty rig than the others. Empty or loaded, all it took was one really big pothole to realize the Ram was the most stiff-legged. The driving position is old-school truck—more upright than the others. But we certainly liked the simple, straight-forward interior. At the heart of the Dodge is the all-new Cummins 6.7-liter turbo-diesel inline six-cylinder. The combination made for an unladen quarter-mile time right between the Ford and the GMC. And the Ram’s ultralow torque peak allowed it to scoot to 30 mph quickest. Yet in our braking tests, the Dodge fell behind. The Cummins was slightly noisier at redline than the others but pulled strong under the load of our trailer. The shifts were crisp, if a bit clunky, in tow/haul mode. But that’s easily forgotten when you floor the throttle. The Cummins not only maintained speed on the longest grades, it briskly accelerated our load, leaving cars and SUVs in its wake.
With trailers hitched, the Dodge was much closer to the GMC’s performance. In fact, only two-thirds of a second separated the two in the quarter-mile. And the exhaust brake really helped slow our load on the freeway. The Ram felt relatively nimble, thanks to the quick steering. That made inner-city maneuverability with the 23-ft. trailers a breeze. This is a potent machine; with a bit more polish, it would have topped our score cards.
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Is popular mechanics a peterson publications?
If so, it is owned by GM.
I really want to turbocharge my torque. Is there a kit to do this!!!???????
This article is for the beginner buyer, not us in the know.
I have never seen a truck comparison that was done with nearly identical trucks. They are all stacked by the writers. They have a purpose--that is to bias and sell a given truck.
Our real world useage is the real test.
If so, it is owned by GM.
I really want to turbocharge my torque. Is there a kit to do this!!!???????
This article is for the beginner buyer, not us in the know.
I have never seen a truck comparison that was done with nearly identical trucks. They are all stacked by the writers. They have a purpose--that is to bias and sell a given truck.
Our real world useage is the real test.
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I like how they go it's by far the best pulling truck of the group, but it came in 3rd becuase it was the roughest riding truck, because it rode like a truck. LOL. That's the thing i don't understand. That's why i'm getting so upset with the auto companies. IT'S A TRUCK, it's not supposed to ride like a car. All the fancy features and whatnot is why pickup trucks are getting so outrageously expensive. Which i don't know about you guys but i don't need all the luxury junk. The fanciest my truck would get would be electric windows and locks. That's why i still love my 24v 2 gen. It's new enough that it's still pretty mainstream i guess you could say, but it's still a truck, not all kinds of fancy buttons and gadgets. I built the truck i want on Dodge a couple weeks ago, brand new 2008 1 ton with the new 6.7 and quad cab, long bed, and 4wd and 6 speed. The total came out right at $30,000. The stereo was as plain as it gets, no navagation system or shiny chrome wheels or anything like that, it was a plain work truck. What they used to be up until the late 90's. Only option i put on it was the towing mirrors, that was it. So yeah in few years when i decide to maybe move up to a 3rd gen, i'm going to build my truck, less money on interior features and more spent under the hood and exterior mods for work.
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I like how they go it's by far the best pulling truck of the group, but it came in 3rd becuase it was the roughest riding truck, because it rode like a truck. LOL. That's the thing i don't understand. That's why i'm getting so upset with the auto companies. IT'S A TRUCK, it's not supposed to ride like a car. All the fancy features and whatnot is why pickup trucks are getting so outrageously expensive. Which i don't know about you guys but i don't need all the luxury junk. The fanciest my truck would get would be electric windows and locks. That's why i still love my 24v 2 gen. It's new enough that it's still pretty mainstream i guess you could say, but it's still a truck, not all kinds of fancy buttons and gadgets. I built the truck i want on Dodge a couple weeks ago, brand new 2008 1 ton with the new 6.7 and quad cab, long bed, and 4wd and 6 speed. The total came out right at $30,000. The stereo was as plain as it gets, no navagation system or shiny chrome wheels or anything like that, it was a plain work truck. What they used to be up until the late 90's. Only option i put on it was the towing mirrors, that was it. So yeah in few years when i decide to maybe move up to a 3rd gen, i'm going to build my truck, less money on interior features and more spent under the hood and exterior mods for work.
You don't need all the fancy stuff but it is nice if you can afford it. Also, i just built a truck like you described above, and base price is $29,645, add the cummins and tow mirrors and you come up with $36,380.
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I really like my 2003 Dodge, but my Dad's Chevy is a really nice truck too. I was really impressed with the mileage he got pulling his 11,500 fifth wheel this summer. We took a trip together and he got 13.5 mpg (I calculated it for him!) and I got only about 11 pulling my 8000# TT. Either I had a lot more wind resistance or the GM guys have something right!
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Isn't there more wind resistance with a travel trailer, considering you have a giant pocket between cab and trailer front? That turbulence alone has gotta make the wind resistance greater. Right?
Gearing, transmissions, speed, etc... all play a role in why your mileage was worse as well.
Gearing, transmissions, speed, etc... all play a role in why your mileage was worse as well.
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This "riding like a truck" thing is silly. Just because your truck has a rough, uncomfortable ride, doesn't mean it's a better truck. If the Chevy and Ford can do everything that the Ram can, then why does the Ram have to ride so rough? With the way suspension technology has improved in trucks, the Ram is at an obvious disadvantage and thats why they are getting nailed for it.
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This "riding like a truck" thing is silly. Just because your truck has a rough, uncomfortable ride, doesn't mean it's a better truck. If the Chevy and Ford can do everything that the Ram can, then why does the Ram have to ride so rough? With the way suspension technology has improved in trucks, the Ram is at an obvious disadvantage and thats why they are getting nailed for it.
I know with my dually......1,000 pounds in the bed makes it ride Reeeeeal nice.
That "Caddilac" ride unloaded might be like trying to steer a marshmallow with some weight in the bed......oe maybe not.
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LEt the truck break in and then see who gets the best MPG's while towing. Also, the FORD got 2ND just cause it was QUIETER and had more gadgets? Come on! It had the worst economy and it was the heaviest! How much of that weight contributed to the softer ride?
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Now I'd like to see them throw a load in the BED of the truck and see how they ride.
I know with my dually......1,000 pounds in the bed makes it ride Reeeeeal nice.
That "Caddilac" ride unloaded might be like trying to steer a marshmallow with some weight in the bed......oe maybe not.
I know with my dually......1,000 pounds in the bed makes it ride Reeeeeal nice.
That "Caddilac" ride unloaded might be like trying to steer a marshmallow with some weight in the bed......oe maybe not.
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The GM truck has 3.73 ratio and the Dodge and Ford have 4.10 and 4.30 ratio rears. I wonder why the GM got better mileage?
2 5/8 ball is exclusive to PM. That way no one runs off with the test trailers.
2 5/8 ball is exclusive to PM. That way no one runs off with the test trailers.