WOW...I belong over there...never realized that they were so close minded but I asked about the Walbro pump and now nobody wants to talk with me...I'm gonna cry...(and remove my membership)

 

I guess the thread starts out "What's so good about FASS?" Well let me count the ways.

1. It is designed to pump diesel.
2. It has a BUILT IN regulator.
3. 4 year warranty, and the history to back it up.
4. It comes in a COMPLETE kit with factory assistance & parts in a phone call.
5. I ordered mine for $344 delivered. I can't wait anymore for guess, I think so's, and it should work.
6. Reliability.

If you want to play with different pumps knock yourself out. I need a reliable, proven system to fuel my CTD.

 

Good post Geico, you could have done that three weeks and 118 posts ago.





Now, prepare for 30 people to tell you how rude you're being to SuperDuty.................

 

Wonder what would happen if I mentioned the BD lift pump kit??

MikeyB

 

"1. It is designed to pump diesel."
- vane pump
- 17 PSI max
- no pump curve
- air cooled motor
- loud operation
Verdict: glorified carburetor pump.

" 2. It has a BUILT IN regulator."
- in the wrong location. Regulator should be at the injection pump.

" 3. 4 year warranty, and the history to back it up."
- just keep a bunch of brushes in the glove compartment
- sooner or later the armature will wear out
- Walbro designed for 80 PSI, day in and day out. FASS designed for 17 PSI. Walbro will way out last a FASS.


"4. It comes in a COMPLETE kit with factory assistance & parts in a phone call."
- soon lots of members here will help you. How hard is it to plumb in a fuel pump ? Aren't you bombers mechanically gifted ?

"5.I ordered mine for $344 delivered. I can't wait anymore for guess, I think so's, and it should work."

According to your signature you replaced 4 stockish pumps. Had you installed a Walbro after the first, it would still be running. Someone should have investigated fuel pumps a long time ago. Why did you keep replacing those pumps with the same thing ? Doesn't make any sense.

Walbro is $110.


"6. Reliability."

Walbro rated to pump 80 PSI. Fuel cooled. Gerotor. FASS is rated for 17PSI (?). Air cooled. Do the math.

BD pumps ? Is it a carburetor pump ? Do you have a delivery curve ?

I don't give a darn which fuel pump people buy. I don't have any relationship with FASS, BD, Walbro, Bosch, Ford, Dodge, Chev, etc.

What I want is people to UNDERSTAND fuel pump issues. No more BS when it comes to fuel pumps ! Pressure capabilities, motor current, motor design, flow rates, regulator position, etc. THOSE THINGS MATTER. Not the pump brand.

Follow the money trail ! THINK ! Ask questions. That is what these forums are for. I would NEVER belong to a website that censors rational debate. I can't believe the "group think" that goes on with some of these sites.

 

Just to clarify something here, The Walbro pumps about 80GPH at 15 PSI. The FASS is quoted at 95 GPH, but there is no fuel delivery curve to compare it with. I suspect the 95 GPH is at 0 PSI. The Holley Blue pump is rated at 110 GPH, but it is down to 95GPH at 7 PSI and 88 GPH at 9 PSI. At 15 PSI, it is probably down to 75 GPH. The Holley only pumps 110 GPH at 0 PSI.

At 15 PSI, I suspect the Walbro puts out as much, if not more than any of these pumps. So it isn't a case of a bigger pump versus a smaller pump. It is the case of pumps that are rated at the same flow (at 15 PSI), but the Walbro will go to 20 or 30 PSI without any problems, whereas the other pumps will not.

"i hate to be rude but i have had it why cant these mf's get a lift pump to work. i am so dang mad i am tired of dealing with this issue it is a danger to me, you and our families. Cummins and DC you s%ck. I am tired of it. Anyone as tired of this issue as i am.......i need a moment"

Amen, brother !

 

I`m a fairly new member here, so I know my opinion doesn`t mean much, but I`m gonna express it anyway. I, for one, am very impressed with Superduty`s knowledge. So impressed even, that I am going to use his Walbro setup. I helped my dad do a Walbro setup on his 02 this weekend, and have another friend that is going to use the Walbro as well. Why are we using these ??? Because none of us believe that the FASS system is worth the money when the Walbro IS a proven pump and will give the same results for alot less. Is the FASS more convenient, yes, of course it is. Is the FASS a fairly reliable pump, yes, from what I`ve seen. BUT, I don`t want a fairly reliable pump(especially a fairly reliable $350 pump), I want a pump that works from now on, and I think the Walbro is that pump. If it doesn`t turn out that way, then I`ve only wasted $110 on the Walbro, and thats alot easier for me to stomach than a $350 FASS.

I`m very inclined to believe what Superduty is saying because he has again and again displayed his vast knowledge of fuel systems. I do agree that he does get defensive about it sometimes, but come'on ppl, ever since he started all this about the Walbro pumps, he has been continually attacked about it. I would be very defensive too.

Thank you Superduty for all your information. I, for one, do apperciate what you are saying.

 

There is hope. http://www.turbodieselregister.com/f...78#post1410478


Thanks, 043500QC.

You are now the resident expert at installing Walbro pumps in the Dodge trucks. Tell us more about what you did. Jump in here and answer a few questions. How did the 02 install go ? What sort of pressures are you seeing ? How did you wire the pump ?

 

Sheesh, after only 72 zillion posts regarding lift pumps and fuel systems YOU ARE TIRED!!!

I really expected more from you!!! LMAO!!!

Your information and expertise is greatly appreciated!

Rick

 

...and utilizing the stock fuel pickup in the tank any of the above pumps would work just fine. The leading edge the walbro seems to have is the ability to last (which is huge! that's what most of us want, install it and forget it). No matter what gph pump you are using it all comes down to a smallish ID nipple on the tank unit you are pulling fuel through. I'm thinking alot of these pumps wouldn't have to work so hard if the inlet line size was increased to them.

 

"...and utilizing the stock fuel pickup in the tank any of the above pumps would work just fine."

At 15 PSI the Holley is operating at the edge of its capabilies.

"The leading edge the walbro seems to have is the ability to last (which is huge! that's what most of us want, install it and forget it). No matter what gph pump you are using it all comes down to a smallish ID nipple on the tank unit you are pulling fuel through. I'm thinking alot of these pumps wouldn't have to work so hard if the inlet line size was increased to them."

The smallish fittings and lines only add a few PSI to the pump load. It is a problem with the pumps that people are choosing because they are operating at the edge of their capabilities. For the Walbro, those fittings and lines are NOTHING as a few PSI doesn't mean squat to to it. It will push 60 PSI easily for a long, long time. The difference between 10 and 20 PSI is the difference between life and death with the carburetor pumps. The Walbro is idling with a 20 PSI load. It is designed for a 60-80 PSI load.

 

...and if it were running unregulated @ 20 psi that would be grand. I take it you're ok with 60 psi running through your Cummins filter housing.

 

"..and if it were running unregulated @ 20 psi that would be grand. I take it you're ok with 60 psi running through your Cummins filter housing."

NO. I've explained this 18 times already and if you had read my posts you'd understand this. The Walbro runs at whatever pressure you set the regulator at. You chose. 10 PSI, 20 PSI, 30 PSI. Whatever.

The reason to chose a pump CAPABLE of pushing 60 to 80 PSI is so that it is OVERBUILT for the application. It is like buying a Cummins to pull a 4,000lb trailer. It lasts longer than a gasser would. Understand ?

 

This thread is heading for a lock.
Superduty has some good points, but like many of us, we don't have the time nor the resources for installing a Walbro or Bosch pump. I don't see anything wrong with running a FASS, Airdog, Aeromotive, Carter, etc pumps on our trucks. Their proven, and do last a lot longer than the stock lift pumps.
Now if someone developed a Walbro lift pump kit, with everything needed in the box, I will add it to my 'to have' list.

MikeyB

 

Ok 45auto, you've made your feelings made......let him explain this to me like a six year old. I'm not sold, but still curious on a few things. Yes, I realize you can regulate the pump, but I have seen "in numerous posts" that you have the regulator up near the pumps (injection pump). This would still put quite a psi increase on the lines, filter before the regulator. That and you are increasing the return flow rate so you are in effect filtering the fuel at a higher rate. This will require the filter to be changed at a shorter interval which is something I don't think I've seen mentioned. I would compare that to cars of yesteryear that required a fuel filter change. Now with the returnless systems most vehicles don't even have a servicable filter, and it usually causes no probs in the service life of the vehicle. By the way for those watching I'm not sold on the FASS pump either. Seems a bit overpriced/overengineered for the duty it has to perform. I see by your comments you are once again growing weary of discussing this so I'll drop it now.