I agree, SD is reporting his good service from an alternative lift pump. That, to many folks who've suffered with Carter's & Holley's and not ready to bite the bullet for a FASS, is a reasonable alternative.
I don't have to agree with him (or he with me) but since I don't believe he's pushing an obvious piece of junk on unsuspecting members, I have no dawg in this fight and have kept out of his thread after my first reply early on until now.
Now if someone had knowlege of any Walbro problems, it'd be his duty to share that info with us all.
I think it's kinda neat that after a few years on the net in these forums, personal differences and attitudes are felt by the typed word without seeing facial expressions or tone of voice.

 

Thanks again SD for shining the light of truth about fuel pumps and their design on this well deserving bunch of folks here on the DTR. a true testament to what this site is all about, getting good information out to the masses. Keep up the good work

 

Again superduty knows how pumps work, designs, ect. Most people will claim one brand is better, but not why. It's not what brand, it's how the pump is built. Most don't know the difference between brush's, brushless, vaine rotor, carb rotor, blah blah blah. People tend to stand behind a product if they really know it inside out. If you can't tell me every single piece, part, and what it does on something great, if not, I question it. Everybody works clean, you know how many skin cells you shed per hour?? Around 8 million, so now the parts not clean (biotech) Point is there's things people know and don't know. If I don't know something I ask. The only stupid question is the one not asked. People sometimes take things the wrong way, or it seems this way or that way. The way he's addressing it, is because people are still fighting the "brand" war, and not style war.

Kinda like my girl, I don't care what Brand of jeans she wears, but rather the way she looks in them

Thanks for the regulator info. I'm hopefully going to do this soon, most likely will do an intake pump (using the walbro) and regulator. Thanks again Super D

 

This is exactly what I've been trying to beat into the guys I run with. If you took all the brand markings off and just looked at the design facts, things would become a LOT clearer. What TYPE of pump would be best for long life in our applications is far more important than what BRAND.

Keep up the good work and stick with the facts Superduty. It's too bad people have thin skin when it comes to their choice of brand names. I could care less what it says on the part. Pople can't see it from behind the truck anyway, if you get my drift.

Richard

 

Peronally, I don't think Dodge truck owners will EVER solve their fuel pump woes because the BS that substitutes for fuel pump knowledge is so ingrained in their minds.

Witness this:
https://www.dieseltruckresource.com/...181#post874181

After everything I've said about carburetor style lift pumps, big lines not being needed and locating the regulator at the injection pump, there is NOT ONE WORD mentioned in that thread about any one of those concepts.

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People want to believe what they want to believe. Ford truck owners want to believe that "Ford owns Cummings" and Dodge truck owners want to believe that carburetor pumps at 150 GPH and big lines are the answer to feeding their injection pumps. In spite of overwhelming data to the contrary. Nobody can tell either of these groups anything different.

Its hopeless that Dodge truck owners will ever approach this subject with an open mind. It is more than hopeless that they will ever apply some common sense to their thinking.

In general, people are Edit. That is just the way it is. They substitute what other people say for thinking about things for themselves. How else can one explain the hundreds of people that believe "Ford owns Cummings" ? I mean, how could that myth even get propagated except by an idiot who refuses to look at a Cummins website and then unknowingly (or purposely) passes it on to another idiot. (I actually had a 15 minute argument about Ford not owning Cummins with a guy this summer.)

I am disappointed that I spent as much time as I did on this topic.

 

I, for one, think you've done a great job bringing this common sense thinking and information forward. You've got a lot of people thinking and even more listening. Unfortunately the people that disagree are far more apt to post than the ones that agree due to all the bashing on the boards. Stick with it if you can, people are listening.

Richard

 

Plus, you'll rarely get people to admit that their $600 whatever maybe wasn't the best thing they could have done with their money. Nobody wants to admit that they just threw $40k down the toilet on a 6.0 Navistar. That's where you get your brand loyalty. It's human nature not to be the one to admit they made a mistake, so they keep pushing.

I saw the light, and that's why I no longer own a Z71, but a Cummins powered Dodge.

Keep it coming SD and thanks for the insight.

 

For the majority, you've hit the nail right on the head. But some of us have known the answer for 5 years now. A simple pump relocation does wonders for pump life without even addressing any pump brand or type/style differences.

In my mind, the situation is no different from the mentality of the average member of the Ford site concerning the 6.0 PS. Facts always seem to get in the way, and people are going to see what they WANT to see.

I'll give another fact which many owners don't want to hear. The lift pump problem belongs to Cummins and not Dodge. It was Cummins engineers who picked the pump brand and location of both the 24v and 3rd gen engines. Maybe they couldn't get over the success of the mechanical pump on the 12v engines, and thought it would spill over to electric pumps. Who knows -- but even Cummins makes engineering mistakes.

 

i have been reading alot of these posts on the lift pumps and i am very impressed with superduties knowledge on them. i almost bought the fass system several months ago and decided against it because i could not afford it at the time and went back to the stock lift pump,not knowing what i know now i would have put something together like the walbro set up, but for now its working ok with no mods and 15psi idle and no lower than 12 wot. but that probly wont last very long, i think people are listening, at least i know i am, this really makes a lot of sense to me, even though i dont know alot about it. when it comes time to upgrade my lift pump again at least this time i will be able to set something up rather than buying the fass. as i said before i am very impressed and i appriciate what you are doing to try to help people realize there is another option.

 

So I'm stupid because I read what you wrote and might not agree with it??

Two words. They can't be printed here.


If I want to replace a lift pump then it is MY decision. NOT yours. You don't have the right to call me stupid.

 

Wow! It's getting ugly around here.

A lot of it comes down to a matter of convenience, buying a kit with all the necessary parts in the box and not having to fab anything up.
It may stay this way until someone comes up with a Walbro or Bosch kit.
I'll be waiting....

MikeyB

 

Question,Why can't everyone get along? Why is it always a battle? Let's just get along. Thanks alot Cin

 

Wow. Glad to see that Ramtuff edited his post. Thems be fightin' words....

I almost left another sight because of this stuff.

Might be absent from here soon.

 

For the most part they do....but I do see a "holier than thou" attitude with SD and his comments. I'm just "assuming" that he doesn't realize how they look when they are typed. I try to read through them and sift out the useful info, and make my own conclusions. I for one am a subscriber to the "more flow, lower pressure crowd", and I do believe that a vane type pump is better suited to pushing the fuel over pulling it. If it were a vac diaphragm type pump, go ahead, mount it toward the front. I'm also not a fan of a huge amount of return fuel to the tank, but I have my own reasons for that. Either way, it's always a nice read when someone tries to reinvent the wheel. Maybe "redesigning and improving upon" the wheel would be better suited here.

 

I agree with trying to get along, but I don't forsee any reason to argue about whose is better than whose. Everyone has their own opinion they like who they like and that is my 2 cents thank you Cin