Hoss has a "baby" one ton,.........no training wheels.....






yes I'm jealous.




NOT ;D

 

Yeah....I'm jealous too. I WISH that I couldn't park in a standard parking spot without getting my fenders dinged. I WISH that I couldn't drive through a drive through car wash. :

Actually...I wouldn't mind a dually, but I have no need for one. I rarely haul or pull anything. ;D

 

We have at least one of the new '04 F-150's here at work. To me the body is OK, but the interior (with the floor shift auto) is freakin' awesome. I'm not sure that there's anything about the interior that I don't like.

As for torque, and where it should be. In my opinion, you should make torque as low as you can (feasibly) for every motor, gas, diesel, natural gas, it doesn't matter.

But when you guys start saying the PS is a "high reving" diesel, to me that seems illogical.

The 24V Cummins does make max torque at down around 1,400-1,500 rpm, and carryies it to what ... 2,600 to 2,700 rpm before it drifts off? But is that torque down around 1,400 rpm useable? I don't think so. Max torque and power on the 24V is somewhere around 2,400 rpm. Now that's useable. Where's the PS's max power and torque? 2,600 ... 2,800 rpm? That's what, maybe 400 rpm more than a Cummins?

I do agree that the Cummins does pull better from 1,400 to probably 2,400 rpm. But to call the PS a high revver just doesn't seem logical *especially* when you compare the rpms of the Cummins and PS to a gas engine power curve.

Maybe I'm going off the deep end ... I don't know. My opinion is that the towing rpm of a PS is around 400 rpm higher than a Cummins. That seems like a pretty minor gripe to me.

- JyRO

 

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We have at least one of the new '04 F-150's here at work. To me the body is OK, but the interior (with the floor shift auto) is freakin' awesome. I'm not sure that there's anything about the interior that I don't like.

As for torque, and where it should be. In my opinion, you should make torque as low as you can (feasibly) for every motor, gas, diesel, natural gas, it doesn't matter.

But when you guys start saying the PS is a "high reving" diesel, to me that seems illogical.

The 24V Cummins does make max torque at down around 1,400-1,500 rpm, and carryies it to what ... 2,600 to 2,700 rpm before it drifts off? But is that torque down around 1,400 rpm useable? I don't think so. Max torque and power on the 24V is somewhere around 2,400 rpm. Now that's useable. Where's the PS's max power and torque? 2,600 ... 2,800 rpm? That's what, maybe 400 rpm more than a Cummins?

I do agree that the Cummins does pull better from 1,400 to probably 2,400 rpm. But to call the PS a high revver just doesn't seem logical *especially* when you compare the rpms of the Cummins and PS to a gas engine power curve.

Maybe I'm going off the deep end ... I don't know. My opinion is that the towing rpm of a PS is around 400 rpm higher than a Cummins. That seems like a pretty minor gripe to me.

- JyRO
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I run with the Fords all the time. I have 3.55 gears and can pull off on any hill with no problem weighing over 30,000. A Ford cannot do that. They have more pulloff problems with a 4.11 and for this reason there are few manual shifts pulling heavy, at least around here. My truck spends most of its time at 1900 to 2100 in OD. The Cummins pulls great from over 2900 down to 1800 and then starts to fall off. Side by side on a hill (as I pass them) the Ford pulls good until the shift and then I just keep going, no contest. I respectfully disagree, there is no comparison to the torque range of the Cummins and the 6.0 or the 7.3. And I am relating to stock, that is the way I put over 200,000 miles on mine.

 

I guess I should've said it more like ... "The Cummins tows more optimally from 1,400 to 2,400 than the PS. The PS's optimal range is probably around 400 rpm higher." I guess that quoted statement above may have sounded like I was trying to say the PS pulled better than the Cummins above 2,400 rpm ... but that's not at all what I meant (and I don't believe that to be true neither). Sorry 'bout that.

Seems like were not talking about the same thing, but are in a round-about way agreeing. I agree with your post and have no doubt that what you say is true.

I'm not trying to make some comparison of towing power (there is no comparison ). Only that 400 rpm difference *to me* doesn't make it a high revver - especially if you compare the PS towing rpm to most gassers. The *amount* of power the PS makes compared to a Cummins ... well that's a whole nother story, and not what my intention was to discuss. I'm as Cummins happy as the next Cummins owner. So the only thing I can say again is ... I'd have to believe your post.

- JyRO

 

Good deal JyRO, I think that what is meant by high revving torque is that he major torque that is available for pulling is at higher rpm's on the ford than on the Cummins. To do the heavy work, or serious speed, the ford has to be wound up more than the Cummins. And 400 rpm is quite a bit higher. Not trying to argue about it, I just see what the mean by the term.