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Old Jul 29, 2006 | 10:20 PM
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JET "A"

Anyone know how JET A compares to K2?
My son works at a helicopter shop and the owner offered me 300 gallons on Jet A for my truck if I want it.
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Old Jul 29, 2006 | 11:27 PM
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I believe Jet A is pretty much kerosine. It's a little light to be using straight with a fuel lubricated pump, so your want to run a good lubricant like power service or similar at a heavier rate.
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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 12:12 AM
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A friend of mine owned an FBO (Fixed Base Operation at an airport) in Washington state for years, and a couple of weeks ago told me that he'd tried jet A in a diesel and it wouldn't run right. He wasn't sure why, but tried it in a couple of rigs with poor results.


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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 06:44 AM
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My owners manual says not to run Jet A or Jet B.
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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 08:29 AM
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Yours is also a 24v, his is a nice 12v.
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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 10:03 AM
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I was hoping that I could just add some to each tank (with power services of course) to save some fuel duckets. I know the 1st gen 12 valver will run on straight kerosine in very cold conditions (with additives of course) because my brother did it for years in his Cummins powered backhoes.

I just don't know if these is anything in Jet A that might damage anything else, like seals.
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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 11:07 AM
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A good read.

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives...4152.Ch.r.html

Last paragraph:
So the bottom line is that although Jet-A may not cause immediate damage to
a diesel engine and may allow the engine to run OK, its use may cause
premature wear or fouling of the fuel system, and you may be breaking EPA
regulations as well as not paying appropriate taxes. Outside the US,
differences in viscosity still mean that the use of Jet-A for Diesel No. 1
may cause early wear of the fuel system. Kind of like running 10 weight
oil in a car designed for 30 weight. So how much risk are you willing to
take, because no engine manufacturer or fuel supplier will take part of the
risk?
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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 12:06 PM
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I wouldn't be concerned at all running 5-10 gallons per tank of Jet A mixed with #2 in a 12 valve.

Question I have though is is quite a few folks on diesel forums say they can get Jet A for free, what's the deal with that?
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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by infidel
Question I have though is is quite a few folks on diesel forums say they can get Jet A for free, what's the deal with that?
Think before you answer. You are probably less anonymous than you think.
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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 12:26 PM
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A couple of hundred gallons in the jet....a couple of gallons for me......a couple in the jet......

I guess some facilities require fuel "samples" to be taken for verification of the quality periodically.
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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by infidel
Question I have though is is quite a few folks on diesel forums say they can get Jet A for free, what's the deal with that?
Don't worry Dave, in my case it's completely legit. When (the company where my son works) gets one of their heli's in for repair thay remove all of the jet A from the tanks and put it in their stroage tank. The owner told me on Friday that I am welcome to it because it saves them the time and fuel to transport it to a disposal facility.

I would of course have to filter it, but that's not a biggie.
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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 01:20 PM
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Sounds like a good deal.

In your case I would run a lubricity additive (Stanadyne makes one specifically for this purpose, you could run a quart of 2 stroke oil or a heavy dose of WMO as well) to keep the VE happy. You can expect decreased power and fuel mileage while running the stuff, but it won't hurt anything as long as you keep the pump lubed.

A p-pump wouldn't mind at all if you just dumped the stuff in and drove it.
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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 01:52 PM
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I used to get Used Jet-A sump fuel at my old job. I burned it in my bullet heater in the garage(hotter and cleaner) and ran it in my rabbit. I never had any problems. I didn't own my 93 at the time but if I did I would have ran it. Its just really clean Kero. We put it in the diesel tugs at work and never had any problems over the 20+ years they owned them. One tug From what I was told was designed to use Jet-A in but I never looked at the Owners manual. Everyone is right it don't lubricate the same as diesel. I used to add MMO or mix it with some WVO. 50/50 diesel and jet-a would fine. However this is me with my Old dog 93. But with any diesel I see no problem dumping a 5-10 gals in with each fill up. On a side note the management at my work had problems with me taking it until they found out how much saftey clean charged to take it away and nothing was said after that. On a side note to that I would bet there is a reason they are giving you that fuel for free. its most likely sump fuel or some sort or contaminated fuel. Ask some questions. If you have a kero heater for the garage or know someone that has one I would highly recommend it for that atleast.
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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 01:54 PM
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I just caught your sig. I see you have a 93. Filler up!
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Old Jul 30, 2006 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MoparMarv
I would bet there is a reason they are giving you that fuel for free. its most likely sump fuel or some sort or contaminated fuel.
Not to worry, I have know these guys for a long time (we were friends of the family even before I put in their network) and they are straight up. They love my truck too!

They own a whole bunch of helicopters, and when one comes in they have to drain the fuel before they can put it in the shop to work on it. They put fresh fuel back in after that are done.

This could save me some money if I do it right huh? Now I just need to have to figure out a filter and water trap.....
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