Add hydrogen for better mpg
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Check out this site www.runautwithwater.com
I too have been looking into doing this. they are claiming 50% better fuel mileage with this and you can build it cheap. I was going to spend the $70 on their book and info to do it. some people are making what they call 6 pack hydrogen cells. they are using more than one cell. I think this could work in a safe manner and I would like to try it on my Semi. 500 horse cummins N-14 PLus.
I too have been looking into doing this. they are claiming 50% better fuel mileage with this and you can build it cheap. I was going to spend the $70 on their book and info to do it. some people are making what they call 6 pack hydrogen cells. they are using more than one cell. I think this could work in a safe manner and I would like to try it on my Semi. 500 horse cummins N-14 PLus.
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This makes no sense. It takes power to break down the water. It takes power to run the alternator. It takes as much energy to break the water apart as you get when you burn it's component parts, oxygen and hydrogen, in the engine. Plus the alternator isn't 100% efficient, turning some of the engines power into heat. And on top of that a diesel is at best what, 40% efficient. If any thing this should cause a loss in fuel econ. It's just common sense. We all want to spend less to run our vehicles. Let's not want it so badly we're willing to be leave anything.
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I see the nay sayers are back. Why don't you give us a double blind study that proves it doesn't work. Until you prove it doesn't work.......
Seems that would prove what your saying just like you want us to prove it does work.
There are studies by colleges and companies (lots of links listed earlier) that have proven it works and not just companies that sell these cells either. Not to mention the multiple personal experiences that individuals on this forum and many others that have found it works.
Now back to the HHO, I hope to get/take the time next week to get a cell on my new truck.
Seems that would prove what your saying just like you want us to prove it does work.
There are studies by colleges and companies (lots of links listed earlier) that have proven it works and not just companies that sell these cells either. Not to mention the multiple personal experiences that individuals on this forum and many others that have found it works.
Now back to the HHO, I hope to get/take the time next week to get a cell on my new truck.
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Ive been working with HHO for a long time as well as some others. It does work, often not to the degree claimed. This industry, and yes it is becoming an industry has more snake oil salesmen than honest people. Im not directing this at jbone either. I can from personal experience say they do work on diesels. I work on class 8 trucks and have seen as much as a 12% increase, typically see 5-10%. There are many opinions on what works and what doesnt.
As for the Meyers buggy, I dont believe its real, it is in fact perpetual motion, someday it may be a reality but its not been done yet and probably wont anytime soon. annabelle, you can call hho'ers what you want, the fact is it does work, its not overunity and theres a logical and scientific reasoning as to why it works. The DOT has also found it works as well 4% to be exact.
Any of you who are serious about it should read on the other web forums, there is so much free information out there it is overwhelming. I dont run it on my truck because the savings isnt worth the hassle of maintaining the unit, but I have thousands of miles of testing on semis that show it does work
As for the Meyers buggy, I dont believe its real, it is in fact perpetual motion, someday it may be a reality but its not been done yet and probably wont anytime soon. annabelle, you can call hho'ers what you want, the fact is it does work, its not overunity and theres a logical and scientific reasoning as to why it works. The DOT has also found it works as well 4% to be exact.
Any of you who are serious about it should read on the other web forums, there is so much free information out there it is overwhelming. I dont run it on my truck because the savings isnt worth the hassle of maintaining the unit, but I have thousands of miles of testing on semis that show it does work
But i can tell you I'm a redseal Journeyman Heavy Equipment Technician licensed in the province of Alberta. in the trade for less than a decade. I'm no expert on anything. But I can without a doubt say that I've never seen a hydrogen system on any class 8 truck, bus, fire truck, oilfield pumper, drilling rig etc......... that I've ever worked on in my career.
Penske trucking is our biggest fleet client. not one of their trucks has one on it thats rolled in on tires or on a hook. Greyhound another big customer. same thing. not a hint of anything like that. that being said I've never seen a system on anything I've ever worked on in the HD trade or oilfield equipment.
take it for what my experience is worth. the kids that run the big turbines and v12 & v16 frac pumpers, and 4000hp V24 haul trucks, and 25MW gen shacks need their junk to work reliably MORE than they need to save 1 or 2 or 4% in fuel. because DOWNTIME costs waaaay more than the % fuel savings may garner. the truckers. live and die buy the cost per mile equation right. they make .XXc per mile and soon as maintenance eats that up its over.
but really for Joe Average guy, maybe it is the way to go on the old pick'emup truck/ but for the professionals to pick it up, the technology will have to be cristal clear, and sound to the Nth degree before it would ever go into service. and IMO, even at that point, it would have to be the OEMs to start adding the stuff to get it onto those fields.
Just my opinion on the stuff that I work on .
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Kind of like airing up a tire can improve mpg 10%. Do the big companies that could save millions have air pressure monitors on their vehicles? When I was on the road hauling freight, in my own vehicle, I was checking tire pressure daily, just like checking my hydrogen unit or my oil. How many drivers of their own vehicles much less someone elses check their tire pressure, oil, or a hydrogen unit/cell?
About the only thing everyone checks is the gas gauge. Untill the hydrogen is so simple it will work with minimal monitoring only the very interested will take the time to do it.
About the only thing everyone checks is the gas gauge. Untill the hydrogen is so simple it will work with minimal monitoring only the very interested will take the time to do it.
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Kind of like airing up a tire can improve mpg 10%. Do the big companies that could save millions have air pressure monitors on their vehicles? When I was on the road hauling freight, in my own vehicle, I was checking tire pressure daily, just like checking my hydrogen unit or my oil. How many drivers of their own vehicles much less someone elses check their tire pressure, oil, or a hydrogen unit/cell?
About the only thing everyone checks is the gas gauge. Untill the hydrogen is so simple it will work with minimal monitoring only the very interested will take the time to do it.
About the only thing everyone checks is the gas gauge. Untill the hydrogen is so simple it will work with minimal monitoring only the very interested will take the time to do it.