Anyone know what will be different or changed on the 2014's. That's when I might be in the neighbor of buying a new one.

 

Should be the same as the 2013s, which are supposed to be starting to arrive at the dealers in the next couple of months. The consensus is 2013 will be a short year, 2014s will start shipping in the fall. Since there have been major changes for 2013, you'd hope if there are any bugs in them they'd be worked out for 2014, so probably a good call to wait until then.

(or there are screaming good deals right now on the tried-and-true 2012s)

 

Do you think the 2013 will get better mileage than 2012. That is a big concern for me. Thanks.

 

Unless Ram is lying, they will get better MPG...

 

Dodge is claiming 10% increase and less regens.
Boy,everything's so expensive. My neighbor just brought home a loaded Ecoboost. Not much cheaper than a CTD.

 

What is regens. What are they doing to get 10% increase.

 

If the 3500 SRW models don't employ the use of at the very least 3:73's I'll buy just as many 14's as I will be buying 13's.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is my understanding that the 2013 and up will now employ the use of the DEF (diesel exhaust fluid) which they started using in 2011 on the 4500/5500. My opinion is stay away from it unless they have improved upon the DEF system. I work with a guy who has a 2012 4500, that we use as a service truck we haven't hit 30k on the ticker yet and since December it has been in for warranty work on the DEF system three times. And all three times it has been the pump assembly for the DEF delivery. Once that fails, it gives you a 200 mile count down, once you get to zero miles it will not start. And has to go to dodge to have pump replaced before it will clear code and allow engine to start.

 

You're worried because 1 truck had/has a problem?

With Ram switching to SCR (DEF), I think that means all new diesel pickups now use DEF and all new OTR diesel have been using it too. Europe has been using it longer than we have....

Here's a link about SCR vs EGR: http://www.thomasbus.com/_pdf/brochure-scr-2012.pdf

Bullet points from brochure..

Testing of SCR vs. In-cylinder EGR by Cummins has proven that:
• In-cylinder EGR reduces engine life by 20-25%
• SCR has greater component reliability
• SCR technology achieves a 7-27% fuel economy advantage over In-cylinder EGR

 

I wouldn't say I was worried. I'm just throwing it out there for all to know what kind of problems they CAN and WILL have. Oh and fuel milage in this 4500 is 6-8 if we are lucky, with that system. I would hope that in a lighter duty truck it will be better than that. I know what the brouchers claim, and I also know my real world experience with the system. That is why i stated unless it has greatly improved over what is on the 2012 I would stay away from it. (Just my opinion)

 

The 2011 3500 cab and chassis uses DEF and while you may think it worse than a 2011 stock 3500 pickup especially with the G56 you are very wrong. The stock g56 pickup would not work in the frozen North until deleted where as a stock 2012 3500 Cab and chassis is having no problems so far.

 

Everybody's situation will be different, maybe we just got a "bad" truck. With the problems we've had. I was just throwing my 2 cents into the information that he was asking for

 

I do agree everyone's situation is different except I was comparing two different trucks both driven by the same person in the exact same conditions and locations doing the exact same thing. One has DEF and the other no DEF. sure the deleted truck wins but not everyone is willing to give up warranty just to make their truck work properly.

 

"Regens" are exhaust regenerations, or a cleaning of the diesel particulate filter (DPF). These are bad for fuel mileage, as the injectors are sending fuel down the exhaust to clean the DPF. So that answers the 2nd part of your question, by using diesel exhaust fluid (DEF) the truck doesn't need to regen as often. Also the exhaust gas recirculator (EGR) runs at roughly 10% instead of 20% so engine life/oil life is increased and intake temps should be cooler (even though it's a cooled EGR).

Some will disagree, but the general consensus is an SCR (truck that uses DEF) is better for mpgs and engine life than a strictly EGR truck. Yes, it's another sub-system that requires care and feeding but at least the truck only breathing its own exhaust at half the rate. Dodge has been building SCR trucks since 2010 (Cab and Chassis), and Cummins has been building SCR engines for much longer than that, so they should have it figured out by now.

If you "delete" these emissions sub-sytems, then it doesn't matter which truck you get. But it may be worth waiting for the 2013s to see if the DEF delivers as promised.

 

I bought my 3500 in June 2010 to pull my 2007 Jayco Eagle 325BHS and on my first trip I ran into the regen issue while camping. It only ever happened once as I use a diesel fuel additive and it has never happened since. Other than camping and just getting back from Yuma AZ my truck is my daily driver which is mostly city driving and I only have 31,000 Kms. on it.
I am either lucky or this additive does the trick.