Farmer Duke

I just seen a 2011 1 ton ( so he called it a 11, isn't it a little early for a 11 to be on the lot?) The urea tank is only 11" on the ground, how are us farmers and ranchers supposed to take this truck out in the pastures or fields without worrying about ripping the tank off. (the exhaust is only 11" off the ground also.) I thought the cummins met all the regs until 2012, at least that is what I have read, so why the need for the tank?

redlineguy

The bigger trucks fall under dif regs, The 2500's do not need a urea tank. I thought it was just the 4500's and 5500 would need the tank.

Blake Clark

3500, 4500, 5500 C&C should be the ones getting the urea treatment. The 2500 and 3500 pickups should remain the same.

graphitecumnz

bet it was a 3500C&C....

bob4x4

The C/C are the only Dodges that get the urea.They were not built with the same emmision pkg as the pick-ups

Geico266

I was told by a "knowledgeable" salesman that the 2500's will need urea in 2012. Might be a good time to buy a '10 or '11.

retiredchuck

Is it not better to have the urea system than what we have now?? puting exhaust gases back into the engine.Or is that something that is added on to our present system?I am under the notion that with the urea you do not recirculate the exhaust gases back into the engine.

signature600

You will not need to recirculate as much exhaust.

Guys, urea/SCR is NOT a bad thing...it lets them tune the engine for efficiency, you know make efficient, dirty power, and then they treat the exhaust afterwards. Yes, you need to add urea...but even with the added cost of urea, you will still save money on fuel.

What is the problem??
Chris

Blake Clark

Urea makes for easier deletes.....

67guzzler

As we all know, the current system in the 2500 and 3500 pickups is 100% maintenance free and self-contained with no fluids or tanks. I think that Dodge / Cummins made the call that for the end-user, this was the more complete and easy solution. Was it the right call from a sales / business decision? Time will tell. With the Ford and GM trucks coming out with engines / trucks that use Urea tanks, it might become accepted and commonplace. The efficiency hit the Dodge / Cummins solution brings might end up biting Dodge / Cummins in the butt even though it's 100% maintenance free. I don't personally care either way -- I would have bought this truck anyway even if I had to fill a Urea tank...

signature600

With the EPA basically mandating the use of Urea (with no other known method of meeting Tier 4 Final emissions levels) it will become commonplace.

Chris

67guzzler

Chris -- Does this mean that our emission system doesn't meet the Tier 4 Final emissions levels? What Tier does our emission system meet? Thx...

Blake Clark

Not sure what tier they meet right now, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the EPA will not stop imposing ridiculous standards until our tailpipes emit nothing but unicorn farts.

signature600

Without doing a bit of research, I don't know that from memory. I'm up to speed on off-road regulations, but not as sharp with on-road. I'll see if I can dig anything up.




Sad, but funny!
Chris

signature600

I can't find the regs for "light duty" trucks...but I do know Cummins will be using it on all other on road engines, from the ISB6.7, to the ISX. As stated before, in this thread, it will also go into the "commercial" trucks from Dodge.

Basically, I'd plan to see it sooner than later in the 2500-3500...if it works like it should, they would see better fuel efficiency from it, and from what I'm seeing from my 2010, I would like even better economy. I mean, 16-17mpg average empty is nice, but why not 20mpg from my 8K lb truck

Chris