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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 09:23 AM
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Diesel at the pump

Hey guys last night I was getting ready to fill up my truck and before I put the hose in tank I noticed a sticker on the pump saying 10% ethanol. Now I have been going to this murphy usa pump for a while now but i never noticed it. Did they just start doing this and is it harmful or any good to our engines? Not really sure if i should pump this stuff in my tank.

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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 09:43 AM
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Murphy's been doing it around here awhile now. They have a sign that states that all their fuels have ethanol now. I buy my diesel at another station but have heard complaints that the Murphy affects fuel milage. I don't know if it'll hurt the engine or not. I know that Cummins has approved B-20 in our engines. Not sure ethanol falls into that category.
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 09:47 AM
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I have wondered the same. I know that Cummins has issues with the flash point of e-diesel, diesohol, or oxydiesel or whatever it may be called. Check out Cummins Bulletin Fuel for Cummins Engines 3379001.

http://www.greenfuels.org/biodiesel/res/oem_CUMMINS.pdf
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Old Mar 9, 2009 | 10:05 PM
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ethanol is a form of alcohol and i was told to never use any kind of alcohol in a diesel as it will burn to hot and it will hurt the motor.
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 06:41 AM
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The ethenol applies the gasoline.

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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 02:05 PM
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then why would they put the sticker on the Diesel Pump. I check another Diesel pump and it was the same. The gas and Diesel pumps are two separate ones.
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Old Mar 10, 2009 | 05:52 PM
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Probably an idiot who didn't know any better got stickerhappy!
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Old Mar 11, 2009 | 05:59 PM
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The ethenol applies the gasoline there is no ethenol in deisel fuel. You ask why it would be on a diesel pump. Can you say minimim wage gas station attendant? That's the answer!!!
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Old Mar 13, 2009 | 03:55 PM
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I would find a new place to buy diesel.
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Old Aug 23, 2010 | 06:09 PM
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They Add Ethanol to Diesel
Aug 1, 2009 12:00 PM, By Greg Lamp

Farmers show how to meet emission standards with new ethanol-based fuel.

A big worry for American farmers is whether the E10 (10% ethanol) blend wall will restrict development of ethanol production. But Bob Dickey, president of the National Corn Growers Association and farmer from Laurel, NE, isn't sweating it. He and three partners have formed CleanFlex, a company that has devised a way to efficiently use ethanol in diesel engines.

For the record, the Renewable Fuel Standard (RFS) requires 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels by 2022, which many say is unlikely to happen with the EPA limit of 10% ethanol in current gasoline blends.

Dickey says their company, CleanFlex, has developed a new hydrated-ethanol fuel called EM60 (a mixture of 60% ethanol and 40% water) that combines in a delivery system with diesel fuel to power diesel engines.

Dickey used the new fuel for the first time last year on a John Deere 150-hp four-cylinder turbo diesel irrigation system engine. “It worked surprisingly well. It increased engine efficiency and decreased emissions, and that's what it's all about,” he says. “It even saved us $1-1.20 an hour over regular diesel.”

The system requires the use of two separate tanks to deliver the fuel, one for the ethanol-water mixture and one for diesel. The two come together at the point of combustion, says Kevin Kenney, biofuels systems engineer for CleanFlex, who has been involved in biofuels research since the 1980s and started work on this project in 2004.

Research has also been conducted at the University of Nebraska under a two-year grant, says Loren Isom, technical assistant coordinator for the University of Nebraska Industrial Agricultural Products Center. “In general, the addition of ethanol has reduced NOx emissions. However, we're only part way through the grant and we'll have a more complete report soon.”

Isom points out that fumigating an alternative fuel through the air intake isn't a new concept, but new methods to deliver and control fuel flow rates in an effort to reduce emissions is a new twist.

Besides the plus of being able to use the glut of excess ethanol on the market right now, EM60 also has the ability to help meet Tier 4 emission standards that become effective in 2011, says Ron Preston, president of CleanFlex Power Systems LLC.

Preston lists other benefits of EM60 as:


Reduces NOx and particulate matter, which contribute to global warming.

Burns cooler with less heat and friction for longer engine life.

Adds lubricity to engines, and increases horsepower and engine efficiency.

Provides a long storage life that's useable in all weather conditions, even at temperatures down to -100° F.


The fuel and retrofit can be purchased now, and CleanFlex is already marketing it. They think the potential for use could be staggering for any diesel engine, especially those needing to meet EPA Tier 4 emission standards.

They're currently working with agricultural equipment companies as well as railroad companies to supply fuel. Preston says the market is immense with over 60 million diesel engines operating in the U.S., plus the opportunity with government fleets, especially military vehicles.

Preston estimates the cost to retrofit an engine to accommodate the new fuel will run about $5,000. But nearly all older diesel engines will probably need some modifications if they are to meet Tier 4 standards, he says.

“Getting product (fuel) will be an issue, but getting biodiesel was an issue in the beginning, too,” Preston says, who adds that the EM60 fuel can safely be used with B2 or B5 biodiesel.

For more information, contact CleanFlex Power Systems at 402-480-0346.

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Old Aug 23, 2010 | 09:27 PM
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WOW! brought back an old one

Good info though
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Old Aug 23, 2010 | 09:33 PM
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I noticda a sticker at the local Bucees station the other day that said thier diesel had a mixture of bio in it. I think it was 10% but I will have to look again this week when it is time to refill
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Old Aug 23, 2010 | 10:40 PM
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Casey's, Kwik-Trip and Kum-N-Go all mix bio in the fuel up here. Something to do with a tax break from the state.
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Old Aug 24, 2010 | 06:03 PM
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I checked the 2 truck stops near me today and neither had an ethenol sticker on the diesel pumps.
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Old Aug 24, 2010 | 11:22 PM
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I wouldn't buy anything with that ethanol garbage in it. All they are doing is subsidizing Al Gore and corn farmers. Plus, it packs less energy and is hard on your engine.

Sometimes I think we have lost our minds in this country.
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