I don't think it'd cost that much to get that power at the crank, either.

 

you did that before the sps66? what was the egt's? got a dyno sheet we can see the curve?

 

I think that the conversion is something like 15 to 20% depending on the day.

Robert, I think most of the money is spent on supporting mods, to make sure that a person can hold the power without being stranded somewheres.

Kevin

 

That's a little tuff to swallow man.

Stock truck = 275hp
SMARTY = 170hp IF you get what is advertised
Injectors = 80hp IF you get what is advertised

I used to be pretty good at math and I'm pretty sure that adds up to 525hp on a good day.

 

Morkable, can I ask why you needed all new sticks?

 

It never works that way...ever! It is not an addtition. LOL.

80 hp rated sticks...are exactley that 80 hp on a STOCK truck. Stock timing, stock duration, stock pressure. Change any one of those three parameters and you have WAY more hp.

Imagine a big tune on the TST...when the duration might be dragged out to 2 times the fuel quantity of stock duration. You kinda get 2 times stock plus 2 times 80 hp injectors amount of fuel over stock.

That is why you need to use small honed sticks...or properly engineered EDM's.

 

Funny...the guy I talked to at Dynomite said if I bought 90hp sticks for my current set up, I'd probably see anywhere from 75-90hp out of them. Never siad anything about 150hp out of 90 sitcks.

Guess I'll find out on the 22nd when I hit the dyno with them installed.

 

Please think that one out. He may have made 90 hp sticks for your set up...then they would not 90 hp on a stock truck.

It is rather a simple explanation...I hope it makes sense. Failure to maintain rail pressure might be the way a stock rated 90 only makes 90 hp with a duration or and pressure box.

Try this one again.

Assume no timing changes...and a real basic comparison.

Stock injector has "x" area of open injector hole. Duration is "y" time at WOT. Pressure is "z" at WOT.

HP = Total Fuel = x * y * z

Honed injector has 1.2 or 1.3 or 1.4 etc times "x" area. So say "1.2x" for this example.

Your truck allready has a duration box...again 1.2 or 1.3 or 1.4 etc times "y" dutartion time. So lets say "1.2y" for this example.

Your truck allready has a pressure box...again 1.1 or 1.2 etc times "z" pressure. So lets say 1.2z again....

So before injectors...your truck made x* 1.2y * 1.2z = 1.44xyz or 44% more hp than stock.

Throw in that injector...1.2x * 1.2y * 1.2z = 1.72xyz or 72% more hp than stock. It did not just add 0.2 amount of fuel.

This is as basic as possible...totally ignoring fuel supply...air supply etc etc.

But it explains part of why a "40 hp" Flux 1 can make 100 hp on the right truck.

 

I put together a package for a customer a couple months ago.

2005 ST 2500 Reg Cab 4X4 NV5600 3.73s

Quad XZT - already on the truck
K&N Cold Air w/ amsoil filter-already on the truck
Smarty
HTT 62/12
ATS Exhaust Manifold
SBC DD 3250 Spring Loaded Hub
FASS
AM Phantom Fuel Press, Pyro, Boost

This combo made 505/878

The truck now has a TS MP-8 in place of the Quad XZT and an ATS intake. Haven't dynoed this combo yet.

 

Trik, cause I broke one when changing the tips,,,, doh...... Very expensive mistake

Kevin

 

I understood what you were saying the first time. However, theoretical ideas and equations don't always match real world results. When I talked to Dynamite, it wasn't about them making 90hp tips for my application. It was a discussion of what I would see if I bought their "off the shelf" 90hp tips. Guess we'll see, cuz that's what I bought. Nothing special to my set up, just their basic 90hp tips that you can buy from any of their retailers. So in your theory my 547 should be approaching 700hp with 90hp injectors. My guess is 650 max.

 

My guess is 600 max. I have seen Stage 1's run dry all the time with 90hp honed injectors.

Ask jstieger.

 

It is not theory...it is the way it works. Like I said though...I left out 1/2 of the important stuff...which is ussualy why it never works that way.

 

meaning cp3? You haven't seen what John is doing to his stage 1 pumps now. I'm not sure that anyone else even has what I have for a pump, it is brand new stuff. John is confidant that from the bench flow numbers it will support 650hp no problem. But I'll know for sure in another week when we see what the rail pressure reads. Right now it holds 22k after a spike of 26k with the mp-8 on 60%. Before he updated with the new stuff he just figured out, it was only maintaining about 18k.

 

With the right injectors it will do that...not 90 hp honed.

Gentleman's bet? 100 bucks?

I have seen what John is doing with his pumps...I have one. jstieger's is kinda a stage 1.5 and he lost rail pressure due to his honed injectors.

Hence...the reason he spent another 1200 bucks to get Flux 2's.