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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 04:42 PM
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Triple dog, not impressed

I traded in my early 04, 305 engine, for a 06. The 04 was all stock except an EZ. Wanted to go to something a little better for the 06, couldn't wait for the Juice. So I ordered a Triple Dog. Installed it all today.
3/4 to full throttle, yes it will probally out pull my 04. But it sure don't pull like my 04 did part throttle. My 04 with the part throttle response was a blast to drive. With the Triple Dog you have to push hard enough on the go pedal to get a hard downshift before it wakes up. And it blows some smoke.
Thing is I drive part throttle 90 percent of the time. That is where I want the response. With that 04 and the EZ, you would just apply some throttle pressure, and pull like crazy. No banging downshifts, no 3000 rpms, just hear the boost come up and go.
Maybe Dodge changed the shift points with the trans and that has something to do with it. Also I don't have any miles on this 06 yet, so it will get better. But my first impression is, not what I was looking for. And down in the dumps about it.
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 05:04 PM
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I traded in my early 04, 305 engine, for a 06. The 04 was all stock except an EZ. Wanted to go to something a little better for the 06, couldn't wait for the Juice. So I ordered a Triple Dog. Installed it all today.
3/4 to full throttle, yes it will probally out pull my 04. But it sure don't pull like my 04 did part throttle. My 04 with the part throttle response was a blast to drive. With the Triple Dog you have to push hard enough on the go pedal to get a hard downshift before it wakes up. And it blows some smoke.
Thing is I drive part throttle 90 percent of the time. That is where I want the response. With that 04 and the EZ, you would just apply some throttle pressure, and pull like crazy. No banging downshifts, no 3000 rpms, just hear the boost come up and go.
Maybe Dodge changed the shift points with the trans and that has something to do with it. Also I don't have any miles on this 06 yet, so it will get better. But my first impression is, not what I was looking for. And down in the dumps about it.

Wow...that's the exact opposite of my experience with a Bullydog. I put a Pup on my '03 and had it that way for months. Then I put on a TST and didn't like the low end/part throttle power so I got rid of it and went back to the Pup. Hopefully yours will come back around.

For what it's worth, a friend of mine just put the Triple Dog on an '06, 6-speed and said it's insanely fun to drive. Difference in transmissions maybe?
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 05:15 PM
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I have been wondering about the difference in years, and transmission calibrations. Wondering if that couldn't have something to do with it. This transmission should not need to downshift so easy. It is like driving a 4 cylinder car. The 04 didn't downshift as easy, and would let the engine pull like it should. Maybe they figuire there will be less converter failures this way.
I'm not going to give up on it right away. I will get some miles on it and see how it pans out. Just disappointed at this point after driving that 04.
Of course you guys must know what it is like to wait for that big brown truck to bring you the new toys. Get all excited, can't wait, finally get it, and if it lets you down, it is a big let down. Know what I mean?
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 05:25 PM
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I had Edge/Attitude on mine for a while and loved it except for the high boost, 42lbs+. I really like the response it had at low rpm's with light throttle. Yesterday I picked up the Triple Dog since my Edge was off and the response is every bit as good as the Edge was. I rarelly run mine hard at high rpm's or full throtle. Triple Dog will be on mine from now on. Power seems no different than the Edge but the boost stays under 32lbs so I feel better about it. Not ******* Edge in any way, it is awsome as well. But I already have guages so no need for the Attitude monitor. The Triple Dog pulls strong even at low rpm's on mine.
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 06:05 PM
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My EZ on level 2 will pull harder than the Triple Dog at any throttle setting except WOT.

Throttle tip-in is far more sensitive with the EZ, but it smokes a lot less.

My thought on the Triple Dog is that it perfoms much like stock, but it has more power. It's very smooth, and I think that's one of its attributes. Perhaps you expected the touchyness of the EZ?
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 06:29 PM
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My EZ on level 2 will pull harder than the Triple Dog at any throttle setting except WOT.

Throttle tip-in is far more sensitive with the EZ, but it smokes a lot less.

My thought on the Triple Dog is that it perfoms much like stock, but it has more power. It's very smooth, and I think that's one of its attributes. Perhaps you expected the touchyness of the EZ?
You describe it very well. The Triple Dog does have more at the 3/4 plus throttle, but far less at less then 3/4 throttle.

With the EZ, I could leave a stop light at 1/4 throttle and leave most behind, could go to half throttle to pass another car and fly right around it without the trans downshifting. Half throttle leaving a stop sign would break the tires loose. Not tire smoking loose. It was smooth, quiet and pulled hard without downshifting and turning the engine 2500+ rpm. The engine didn't need to rev hard, so all you heard was the boost come up.
This Triple Dog as of right now, feels stock and doggy until you get to 3/4 throttle, then the trans downshifts, and it rolls smoke out the pipe, and the engine turns hard. It just seems more violent then needed for a diesel engine compared to what I was use to.
I don't know if I'm expressing what I'm feeling very well? Just the way my last truck worked was alot more fun and smoother. Anyone who drove it mentioned how much of a pleasure it was to drive. I'm hoping to regain that in this truck. It just may be the difference in years, and calibrations, could just be lack of miles on the truck. Could be the Triple Dog is just made for a different kind of person's desires. Hopefully in time it will come together.
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolngthun
You describe it very well. The Triple Dog does have more at the 3/4 plus throttle, but far less at less then 3/4 throttle.

With the EZ, I could leave a stop light at 1/4 throttle and leave most behind, could go to half throttle to pass another car and fly right around it without the trans downshifting. Half throttle leaving a stop sign would break the tires loose. Not tire smoking loose. It was smooth, quiet and pulled hard without downshifting and turning the engine 2500+ rpm. The engine didn't need to rev hard, so all you heard was the boost come up.
This Triple Dog as of right now, feels stock and doggy until you get to 3/4 throttle, then the trans downshifts, and it rolls smoke out the pipe, and the engine turns hard. It just seems more violent then needed for a diesel engine compared to what I was use to.
I don't know if I'm expressing what I'm feeling very well? Just the way my last truck worked was alot more fun and smoother. Anyone who drove it mentioned how much of a pleasure it was to drive. I'm hoping to regain that in this truck. It just may be the difference in years, and calibrations, could just be lack of miles on the truck. Could be the Triple Dog is just made for a different kind of person's desires. Hopefully in time it will come together.
I had a similar experience to yours...I was initially disappointed in the low end performance. I was not even sure if I could tell a difference from stock. I would switch power levels and they all felt the same. I was used to my Edge Comp box and it is very noticable when you change levels.

I decided to get the 2.2.6 update online and also download the Crazy Larry program. I am much more satisfied now and I can definately tell the difference betweeen the levels...although the truck still does not have the low end torque as my 01. These newer engines seem to make power higher in the rpm range.
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 07:01 PM
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did your old truck also have the 373 gears? if it had the taller ones it would feel completely different.... j m h o
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 07:31 PM
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did your old truck also have the 373 gears? if it had the taller ones it would feel completely different.... j m h o
Yes, both trucks 3:73 gears.

1fstdsl, I feel the same as you desribe. I can't tell much difference between levels. I did update right away from bully dog's site. But didn't go with the crazy Larry.

One thing though. Directions say engine type must be locked in before changing levels on the fly will work. I don't recall seeing anything asking me or providing me a way to lock engine type. Did I miss that somewhere along the line? I know it took the download, because it didn't roll smoke like it does now, before.
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 07:43 PM
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1fstdsl, I feel the same as you desribe. I can't tell much difference between levels.
This is one of the things I complained to Bully Dog's techs about. They told me that newer trucks respond better.

One thing I do know, the older Power Pup programs are stronger, but you have none of the cool features of the Triple Dog.

The one good thing about the mild differences in power is that I always ran it in Tow mode, which adds zero rail pressure.

Drive it a while, you may come around once you get used to it.
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 08:05 PM
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mine with the BD pulls much harder at every throttle position than it did with the EZ, or my step dads 03 555 with the EZ
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Old Apr 5, 2006 | 11:37 PM
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Mine pulls like a frieght train with the BD. But I have 6spd. I have heard the autos dont respond as well with the BD, something with the shift timeing.
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Old Apr 6, 2006 | 07:48 AM
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what setting are you on that you dont get the low end grunt you are looking for? ....if you liked the EZs low range... and the BDDLs high band... could you do a stack with the two???
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 02:34 PM
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Testing out Bull Dog's tech department now

Decided to try the Crazy Larry. Download went in fine. Got to the point where it says turn on key and set power level. Turned on key and no power level choice. Truck now won't run, and can't hook back up to it because the Dog says vin number mismatch.

If it has to go to the dealer, it is not going to be paying for the wrecker and then paying for the reflash, and losing the warrenty that will bother me. It is the having to admit to them I did it myself messing around with a brand new truck that is going to be the killer.
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Old Apr 7, 2006 | 02:39 PM
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Did you return your truck to Stock before you loaded the new programming?
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