From the MADS site...

Injection Timing:
# 0 - Default
# 1 - Stock
# 2 - for aftermarket injectors
# 3 - for Hugh aftermarket Injectors ( less timing advance than # 2 )
# 4 – for use with NOs ( less timing advance than level # 3 )

I am trying to figure out which level has the MOST timing for TNT....

I get that it was designed to be used with after market injectors which I have but I am looking for a little more timing.

While running the REVO non-TNT, I can run default timing and not get any timing rattle, but while running TNT default (which is after market injector) timing it can get a little warm while waiting for turbo too spool.

I am wondering if running #1 (stock) for timing on TNT will give me the most timing available???

And if so, how close to running default timing on REVO non-TNT is it???

 

Injection Timing:
The most timing is 4, then 2, 3, 1 Default is 2

Confused?

 

Those timing numbers are for the REVO non-TNT tune. I am looking for the REVO TNT tune....

Thanks for replying though!!!

 

If I'm not mistaken the TNT timing with the MOST advance is #0-Default. #1-Stock is the least.#2-AFT,inj has less than #0, & #4 has less than #3. I'm running the #2 because on the default timing, I have trouble building boost.

 

See I thought that default was #2..... and that #1 was the MOST!!!!


WOW, this is really getting to be confusing!!!

 

Wouldn't more timing with aftermarket injectors cause more heat and rattle on account of more fuel being added? Hence less timing.

 

Right, except for my rig I can run a regular timing program and not have timing rattle. Just looking for a tune that is the highest timing map for TNT-non r.

 

#1 would be the most, I believe.

 

number 0 is the most timing for the revo tnt.

 

for tnt the most is #2 = same as default on odd numbers
#1 = default on even numbers

 

Thanks....

 

Wow there is so many opinions. Maybe Bob will post the correct answer but until then my money is with mulisha.

 

the instructions are posted on MADS web site. Here I'll help....

this is for the REVO tune...

If you prefer the Smarty's default software configuration, simply skip the “Adjust Options” menu and choose the CaTCHER level you
prefer, as in the previous Smarty softwares. If you want to change the default setting of any (or all…) of the customizable items, you
can enter the “ Adjust Options” menu , navigate with the “ > “ and “ < “ keys to the item you want to customize and enter your
choice. Done! Smarty will do the rest. Once the end of the item list is reached, Smarty will store your selections in its memory. In
this way, your preferred selections will be applied every time you program your truck. As a simple example, if you set the Speedlimiter
to “100”, Smarty will always use that value for all ECM updates, until you change the value again or return the truck back to
stock. When you enter the “ECM update“ menu you will find the chapter: “Adjust Options“. Once entered, this menu allows you to
choose among several items and levels of customization.
Speed-limiter:
From 25 to 250 mph in one mile increments
Torque Management:
# 0 - Default
# 1 - Stock
# 2 - Mild
# 3 - Moderate
# 4 - Wild ( aftermarket clutch / AT Transmission recommended )
Then higher the # you choose then less torque management remains and then more aggressive the throttle response becomes.
Injection Timing:
# 0 - Default
# 1 - Stock
# 2 - for stock injectors
# 3 - for aftermarket Injectors ( less timing advance than # 2 )
# 4 - for fuel economy ( more timing advance than level # 2 )
Important! The odd numbered SW's ( 1,3,5,7 & 9 ) use the advanced timing and the even numbered SW's ( 2,4,6 & 8 ) use the stock
timing.
This is only true if you don't adjust the options! With the Revo you can choose ANY timing you want, no matter if the Catcher you'll
download is odd or even! You CAN, add timing to the software's that have none, or use the stock timing in the odd # ones. Your
pleasure.... By definition for all adjustable options the default is # 2. EXCEPT for the timing. The timing has two defaults. # 1 for the
even numbered SW's ( stock timing ) # 2 for the odd numbered SW ( advanced timing ). To avoid confusion and to help the customer
in returning all levels to default ( if need be ), key # 0 is used to return Smarty back to the default levels. This is most important for
the timing. When Smarty is set back to default with key # 0, the even numbered software's will use the stock timing and the odd
numbered ones the advanced timing.
Rail pressure:
# 0 - Default
# 1 - Stock
# 2 - Mild
# 3 – Moderate*
# 4 – Wild* (aftermarket injectors are a MUST)
* In order to avoid damage to the injection system, do not use for prolonged time.
Wastegate: ( for the 2004.5 and up trucks with the electronic wastegate only )
# 0 - Stock (On)
# 1 - Off ( for aftermarket turbo )

and this is for the Revo TNT tune.....

If you prefer Smarty's default software configuration, simply skip the “Adjust Options” menu and choose the CaTCHER level you
prefer. If you want to change the default setting of any (or all…) of the customizable items, you can enter the “ Adjust Options”
menu , navigate with the “ > “ and “ < “ keys to the item you want to customize and enter your choice. Done! Smarty will do the
rest. Once the end of the item list is reached, Smarty will store your selections in its memory. In this way, your preferred selections
will be applied every time you program your truck. As a simple example, if you set the Speed-limiter to “100”, Smarty will always use
that value for all ECM updates, until you change the value again or return the truck back to stock. When you enter the “ECM
update“ menu you will find the chapter: “Adjust Options“. Once entered, this menu allows you to choose among following items and
levels of customization.
Foreword:
The REVO TNT software has been written for trucks with extensive modifications. The horsepower levels start around 100 Hp on
CaTCHER # 1 and reach 230 additional Hp on CaTCHER # 9. These HP gains are referred to a “close to stock” engine but
depending on your modifications can be more. With correctly modified and tuned engines we have seen gains in the 400+ Hp range
above the stock software. On the higher settings a stock engine can NOT take full advantage of it because the fuel and air supply
from the stock parts are simply not enough .Aftermaket, turbo, injectors, lift pump, injection pump, automatic transmission AT LEAST
are required! Also a good insurance against valve float at high boost levels is a good set of stiffer valve springs. If you need valve
springs or not depends upon several factors like max boost pressure reached, rev range and of course the mileage of the stock
springs.
Speed-limiter:
From 25 to 250 mph in one mile increments
Torque Management:
# 0 - Default
# 1 - Stock
# 2 - Mild
# 3 - Moderate
# 4 - Wild ( aftermarket clutch / AT Transmission recommended )
Then higher the # you choose then less torque management remains and then more aggressive the throttle response becomes.
Shift defuel:
# 0 - Stock (On)
# 1 - Off
Often called erroneously “ torque management”, this function disables the stock software engine power de rate during
automatic transmission shifts or boosted launch. Please note that the shift light indicator on the dash will also become disabled.
ATTENTION! The use of this feature is potentially DANGEROUS even for the best build aftermaket transmission!!!
Do not even THINK to use it with a stock transmission or a simple valve body! Full billet is a must here!
Injection Timing:
# 0 - Default
# 1 - Stock
# 2 - for aftermarket injectors
# 3 - for Hugh aftermarket Injectors ( less timing advance than # 2 )
# 4 – for use with NOs ( less timing advance than level # 3 )
The odd numbered SW's ( 1,3,5,7 & 9 ) use the advanced timing and the even numbered SW's ( 2,4,6 & 8 ) use the stock timing.
This is only true if you do not adjust the options! With the Revo you can choose ANY timing you want, no matter if the Catcher you'll
download is odd or even! You CAN, add timing to the software's that have none, or use the stock timing in the odd # ones. Your
pleasure.... By definition for all adjustable options the default is # 2. EXCEPT for the timing. The timing has two defaults. # 1 for the
even numbered SW's ( stock timing ) # 2 for the odd numbered SW ( advanced timing ). To avoid confusion and to help the customer
in returning all levels to default ( if need be ), key # 0 is used to return Smarty back to the default levels. This is most important for
the timing. When Smarty is set back to default with key # 0, the even numbered software's will use the stock timing and the odd
numbered ones the advanced timing.
The injection timing is critical for the engine responsiveness and overall performance. The difference between one timing level and
the next one can be as much as 85Hp! Which is the right one? That depends upon the mods done to the engine.... The only valid
way to find out is a dyno. Boost pressure readings “per se” just don't do the trick. A more advanced timing will typically produce
less boost than a more retarded one but that does not mean that the more advanced timing provides less power.
Rail pressure:
# 0 - Default
# 1 - Stock
# 2 - Mild
# 3 – Moderate
# 4 – Wild*
* In order to avoid damage to the injection system, do not use for prolonged time.
Wastegate: ( for the 2004.5 and up trucks with the electronic wastegate only )
# 0 - Stock (On)
# 1 - Off ( for aftermarket turbo )
www.madselectronics.com

 

your welcome

 

Hey ! where is it written that revo and tnt or race timing levels are different with the numbers??? Stop the confusion Bob!