A different story how? All trucks equipped with the same mods, for example the Juice/attitude and its the same story. My truck did a 15.0 with the Juice/attitude. a duramax in line behind me did a 14.6 with just the juice/attitude. Fords are also very quick with the juice/attitude. The cummins are just pulling monsters, not the best if you want speed for cheap.

Also, 309hp/500tq is good on the hp, but Cummins 600's put out about 278hp/530hp stock

 

Lots of good opinions I see! Be careful what you say about those Duramax's because there are many of them over here watching and learning how to get trucks into the 11 sec. club!!! They might post this over at their website and make fun of it. I myself have driven both and yes, those new Duramax's are smokin' fast with no mods. Very nice trucks but they are like a snow plows when you take them offroad. Way too low and very expensive to lift unlike ours... Enjoy your Dodge because I sure do...

 

A lot of people dog them for their lack of capability off-road vs our trucks or a Ford. But GM didn't design them for that, they were designed for what happy GM owners want them to do tow their trailers, get good mileage and a nice ride at the same time. I've had my Dodge and Ford off-road but not hardcore....My Ford saw the mudpit that was leftover in the registration area at the Indy Jamboree back in 05 and I took my Dodge into a previously cut cornfield this past fall. Nothing I know a GM couldn't do. I really don't want to do any hardcore off-roading in my Ram cuz I just don't want to risk tearing anything up. I'll buy a purposly built truck for that.

 

I will, and I do.

But let me get this straight, you'll risk blowing up a $10k engine but you won't rish denting a $400 body panel?

 

Okay, so what. That's you, not me! I've already dented my truck once, and I hate cosmetic flaws. I want my truck that I paid 22k for that's in great shape to look good no matter how long I own it. And I'm not really risking blowing up my engine. Are you trying to tell me the almighty cummins is going to blow up? Sure i've got a few mods that might do it if I was an idiot all the time like a friend of mine I know, but I hardly ever race or "drive like I stole it" or even turn my TST on for that matter. This is my daily driver work truck that gets me to and from my jobsites. I bought it because I need a truck, and one that gets great mileage and looks good. I didn't really buy it for performance, or off roading or racing/sled pulling. I'll race it every now and then, but who doesn't race any truck, car, suv or any vehicle for that matter at one point during ownership. I wouldn't mind it, but I have a lot more important priorties right now that win over that.

 

Back to the original statement. How long is this duramax running this much nitrous and that hot of a chip going to pull a fifth wheel or gooseneck up a hill before they need to let off. All I do know is that with my old twin turbo setup on my 02, I could use the 508 hp and over 1100ft lbs of tq all the way through the power band without letting off. That was towing 43,000 lbs 3500 miles. I would liek to see a HOT setup duramax pull that all day long.

 

Then why hasnt anyone made a "custom ECM" for our trucks yet? Probly becuase they cant. It is not a matter of time it is a matter of ability.

501 is impresive for the mods used, go build a Cummins to make 501 and just see what it takes.... more than a programmer.

 

That's true. There are things a Duramax will be better and there will be things our Cummins will be better for.

 

Very well said. My father just bought an '07 LBZ duramax after my mother rolled the LB7. Anyway, I am a fan of the cummins MOTOR, not the DODGE TRUCK! Our new truck seems so much more refined than the dodge in all aspects. He is running a straight pipe and edge evo and the truck hauls the mail. It also hauls 25,000#+ worth of seed corn and beans pretty well too. The IFS is also very nice. He doesn't drag race it, but if he needs to he can. I'm very impressed with the new dmax. The whole "his is faster stock to stock, but if I had a (insert name of programmer here), it would be a different story" doesn't work here. The cummins is 90% workhorse and the dmax is 50% workhorse and 50% play. Most guys in this day and age aren't worried about how many lbs they can haul, they want speed. How many I6 motors haul ***? Not many that I know of. How many v-configuration motors are in tractor-trailers? Not many that I know of. Two totally different beasts, but I will admit that I'm slowly moving towards the dmax as a total package. Dodge needs to refine the TRUCK part so they can provide a MORE solid overall package to consumers.

 

Nah, Chevy needs to de-pussify their trucks and quit marketing to chicks...

 

What's more to refine? The Dodge "works fine and lasts a long time" as my father says ...The Dodge sits the highest stock and feels more like a truck when you drive it than the Chevy and Ford. I personally think that the Dodge looks the best (although I must say that the 07' Sierra is a pretty nice looking vehicle itself). I started a thread about the Chevys being 1000+lbs lighter than the Dodges, which I would say is the MAIN reason they are faster. But I'm really not too much in this game to be faster, but more so to pull cattle and work when I'm home...and God willing, rack up 450K+ miles on my 3rd Gen as my father has gotten out of his 2nd Gen ...I don't know how you can get much more "refined" than that!

Derek

 

Along with that DMax there is also about 1000 other cars, truck, etc that would smoke a Cummins. Who cares? In Texas, we dont race our ******* trucks, we make them work. I haul horses, building supplies, and a bass boat all over this great state. Anytime you see a 5th wheel, multiple horse trailer, or any other heavy load, 95% of the time (no exaggeration) it is a Dodge with a Cummins. Most of these guys are over 40 years old and have driven every truck in the world and for some reason they came to the conclusion that Cummins gets the job done better then any other brand. I want stability and power. I like the Dmaxs and my fiance wants one once we get married. I will be more then happy to buy one for her. As for my next truck, only a Cummins...

 

I think that as of now all 3 have a very well rounded truck on the market and it comes down to preference and nothing more. If you don't like something, that's your problem and just because you don't doesn't mean that everyone else should follow suit. This debate will go on and on and on forever, no matter what Dodge does someone won't like it. No matter what GM does, or Ford does, or any auto manufacturer does there will be someone who doesn't like it. No matter what anyone states as far as their opinion it is an opinion, and we all have one and that's a fact you can't debate.

 

I'll give ya this statement...but when was the last time Toyota made a 3/4 or 1 ton light duty diesel truck that lasted a long time? I think they are going to have their work cut out for them with these new emissions and what Dodge, Chevy and Ford have been building for many MANY years already. They may END UP good, but I think they are going to be quirky for a WHILE...

Derek