The question asked here is about a Silver bullet vs "twins" not a sps66 vs artic air twins and use the price of a SB.

Nobody here has yet to complain about the lag on a Silverbullet. Ive gone alone for a ride in JCleary's sps66 equept truck and yes it was a smokey laggy turbo. He told me that I would never be happy with a sps66. I just installed my Silverbullet on my 03 w/ Smarty and took him for a ride and it was like night and day compared to his sps66. It was a great improvement and I am 100% happy with it and I'd tell you if it sucked. So if there's some unhappy silverbullet owners out there speak up!

Yes there is a narrow price margine between the the best and most expensive Single Charger and the Smallest Cheapest Twin set up that still comes with one turbo. Well thats totally expected.

I was the one who brought up head work and I said it should be done if running BIG twins and want to use them to their full potential. Yeah its possable to use the artic air twin and not do any head work but if your running a big set of twins like B1/B2 or Piers Racing twins and are stacking a TST and Crazy Larry you'd be a fool not to do some head work.

Like other people said with the exception of the Artic Air twins which only come's with one turbo all the other kits are big $$$

We're not arguing that the Artic Air kit isnt $2800 but there is far bigger and better sets out there for $5K+

DWiggs had over $40K in engine work and did alot of it for peace and mind for running his ATS twins.

I have seen some threads where some people wernt happy with the spool on their ATS twins and had to go through a bunch of stuff to get it right.

Have you read about Ramirezh 512HP Artic Air equept truck. That's just not enough hp to make it worth my wile. That and the 10 hours of labor he was quoted to do the install. There is many other people out there that have more HP on a single and arnt complaining about spool on the Silverbullets.

 

Silver Bullet is pretty much the same thing as a sps66.... They are both laggy. I've been around both.

 

Hey I dont mind talk about any turbos you like cause it gives me better ideas of what to do..... So what about a B1? compared to silver bullet?

 

My vote will go on twins. Even when you run a smaller set they are more drivable than a big single. And will keep egt in check when towing or play. You can run water injection or nos to keep the temps in check when you lite the wick. Smaller twins will let you run into the high 500 to low 600 with no temp issue and be very civil on the street. Head work is a good idea if you have the money. Many are just studding the head and doing ok. Just my 2 cents!

 

Big Dan you somewhat reaffirmed what I said. The head work has nothing to do with the twins. If you are stacking agressive boxes such as the TST/Crazy Larry it will take it's toll regardless of whether it is a single or twins. Luken is an example of that. he had headgasket issues with his single just as twinned trucks have. It has to do with the increased cylinder pressure from the excessive timing. Not like a timing detonation, but from the fuel coming in to early and raising the peak cylinder pressures.

That is why I am quite happy with 1 box and a big honkin set of don m's That's all I need to daily drive at 700 HP. With me having only one box on at a time, I know my timing is in check. That is also why I have logged 40,000 (52K total on truck) twin turbod miles with minimal issues. It lies more in the tuning with the cylinder pressures than anything else.

 

To really throw a wrench into everything, I might even be going to a totally custom twins setup in which case someone would be able to pick up my essentially new ATS setup for dirt cheap. Just something to keep in mind!

 

which turbos are on your ats setup d.wiggs?

Kevin

 

Aurora 2000 & 5000.

 

pm me your price

 

yeah me too, if you dont mind


thanks

kevin

 

It is D to the izzzone!

 

Ok! Educate me, cause I obviously donīt know anything at all about the PDR twins!

Luken!
Have you tried a Smarty? It should help you with your laggy spool..

 

lol that is hilarious

 

For the sake of us all I won't go there

 

I think that is a HUGE big of advice to anyone... That is the EXACT route I am going to take....

I'm sick of finding the sweet spot between all of the boxes... Then the problem with timing etc.