15k in four months and it has run perfect, no codes, no re-gen problems just a good truck.

 

Scotty, I agree. The mileage is a big concern for me too. My 96 is showing a couple of rust blisters, but I'm afraid to ever replace it with something newer because I don't want to be stuck with another truck that gets 10 MPG pulling my trailer. I might as well go back to a gasser for that.

 

this is one of the reasons I bit the bullet and got the extende warranty on the whole truck. So far I have been more happy with my 6.7 than my 99. That 99 was a headache from the day I bought it. WORY WORY WORY!!! VP44, yep bought one LP pump, Yep that twice, front end going, that truck was loose as heck. on and on and on!!!

I would way rather see a few updates for a while than nothing like the VP44 fiasco!!!

Chris

 

My first post but been reading a lot. I think the only way to really know the issues vs the benefits of a new truck, be it a ford, gm or dodge, would be to know the total number of trucks sold along with the number of those having problems (and the type of problems). You could then make an intelligent decision based on facts. As folks have stated before, most of these board posts get attention from those with problems. We then tend to attach that to every vehicle sold by that particular company which totally throws the real numbers out the window.
Every company has trucks with problems. Every company will continue to have problems with individual truck forever. Mechanical things will break & computer codes always have "known problems". (my background as an assembly code nut for big systems). There are always trade offs on power vs performance vs the EPA that result in some weird conditions for us "users". Then throw in those of us that bend the "rules" by adding our own performance enhancing products.

Are we the rats or the testers? I think so, but we also push these things to the limits (can you believe some of the stuff these diesels haul down the road and the comfort in which you can do that?)
and, we also push the companys to produce trucks with bigger hp and capabilities. It's kind of a trade off for all of us. The simple diesel trucks did what we expected at the time they were available. We've now entered a window where we all want more. More hp, more speed, more weight, more safety, more comfort and yet we really need to be concerned with the future of our kids and their future. That's a hell of a lot to balance.
But I think the "big 3" are doing the best they can given our current technology.....they sure as hell don't want to go out of business.

So I think anybody considering the purchase of a new truck needs to be really well informed. These boards help but should not be the "final" decision maker. We have the freedom to buy from three pretty good companies. All make a pretty damm good truck, all a little different, giving us a pretty decent choice based on personal likes and dislikes. Then we get to argue about which is better.
Ain't life great!!!

 

I for one (not the only one) have tired of the trips to the dealer to take care of my mil. I purchased a code reader and reset the mil every time it's triggered, (4 times with the dealer and now 5 times with hand held) still getting the same code but I'll live with it. I'm sure that I'll have the truck reflashed everytime i go in for an oil change. Hey all I can say is i do enjoy the comfort, power, and ammenities of this new ride. I'm used to having to do multiple downloads and upgrades every time my computer operating system takes it next step up. Guess I'm going to have to expect that out of my vehicles now. There are certain draw backs, and advantages to every new situation, just have to make the best of it.

 

Very well said!! Those who expect Dodge/Cummins to get every detail right from the get go are not being realistic. This emissions system (not the 6.7.. it's been around in use for a few years now in Europe) is a brand new entity and getting the software right in integrating it with this beast of an engine is going to require some time. People are quick to bash anything that is new and unproven when problems start to come up. In rare cases these problems are unable to be solved... that's what the lemon law is there for. Probably 95% of 6.7 owners are happy or very happy with their purchase, and out of the 5% who are having issues, 95% of those are being rectified. This is just a guess but I don't think I'm that far off. There are too many variables involved... the quality of the fuel going into each unit, the additives many use (are they ULSD compliant or not), owners bombing their rigs, etc for every truck on the road to function problem-free.

 

Studies show, 60% of the time,....it works every time. (Anchorman quaote)

 

Like I stated before I don't expect perfect everytime, hey it is man made. But instead of them having the majority of the bugs worked out, before they charge you an arm and a leg for their product, they release it on the American public and have them work the bugs out. Hey, if they want to pay me (union wages) to be their test dummy I don't mind. However, the big 3 take your hard earned money and feed you crap and when you complain they try to deny it. It would be like going to a fancy resturant ordering filet mignon and the steak is as tuff as shoe leather. You complain but the owner says hey you are the one that ordered it, so you are stuck with it, and expects you to pay the bill.

Now how many of you would go back to that restaurant?

Has anybody read the financial pages and noticed the money problems the big 3 are having in the American market?

Decades of the same tactics. But I guess they don't worry because unlike small companies that go out of business for shoddy work, it doesn't impact the economy. But if the big 3 falter, Uncle Sugar Daddy goes in and bails them out .

My point is: that when a newly developed product is marketed it should have minimum problems. I would expect some minor glitches and they should be addressed by the manufacturer with a most apologetic way and if the same problems keeps re-apprearing you at least stop selling them to the public and don't remarket it until its fixed.
When you have to take your vehicle back 3 or more times in less then a year, something is really wrong i.e codes and clogged exhaust systems. I'm sorry this just isn't any way to make friends and influence people.

Again this is just JMHO and I realize alot of you are content, but the big 3's track record isn't the best on new products.

PS some may wonder why I even ordered a new truck, That is simply, I couldn't find a decent used one and the japanese don't make one with enough "beans".

NOW what is the point of all this babbling??????

As a group 6.7 owners. we should pressure Dodge Chyrsler to provide us with some guaranteed assurances on this new engine, transmission and EPA junk. Solidarity is the key. Again JMHO Dave

 

I've been told that the people (in my area anyway) who have had the most problems with the 6.7 are those who drive in town a lot, idle more then 10 minutes aka they don't work the engine. I've also heard if you use the manual high idle you can run the 6.7 for up to one hour with out problems, but don't go any longer then 1 hour. Now if we could just get the EPA to let Cummins drop the EGR and DPF off the engine it would run like all get out.

 

My 5.9 12V CTD has never been to back to the dealer for an engine issue,
and following these threads relating to the new 1/1/07 requirements, all 3 are still experimenting to get it right. I agree with the OP.

 

CAFE = Corporate Average Fuel Economy. It really doesn't have anything to do with the emissions, directly. There may be something going on in the background with the Carbon Credit BS, but I am not sure about that.

I think Dodge made the decision to get the 6.7 to meet 2010 standards so they don't have to do this 2 times like what Ford is going to have to do. From what I have read the 6.4 isn't compliant to 2010 standards so it will be replaced. Chevy has to rework thier engine for 2010, but they only had to do minor mods to get the current engine to meet 08 regs. With that said, in 2010 Dodge will have the bugs worked out and some real world data to adjust and make the emission and fuel economy better.

I agree that we are giving up fuel economy for "cleaner" air. I would like to see the actual numbers on emissions going all the way back to pulling the extra crude out of the ground. If all Diesel vehicles (including semis) loose 1mpg the country will transport, refine and burn a lot more fuel.

 

Doesn't CAFE cut off at 8,500 lbs GVWR? I don't think the 2500s are counted in that stew.

 

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I can understand what you are saying, but the code reader/resetter does not come free with the truck and dodge threatens to void your warranty if you mess with the programming. I believe it is easier to update your computer because you can set it as a task that does not take your time. Taking the truck to the dealership for me means taking off work, cancelling appointments and finding a way to get back and forth while they reset it and regenerate it. I'm on my 4th CEL and the dealer is booked until Monday, therefore, I have to be careful that it is not a real problem because once it stops regenerating I'll be left on the side of the road.