Just thought I'd mention what the October edition of their mag showed in their comparison.

GM edged out the Dodge for top honors with their all new design and solid performance, but questionable build quality. Dodge got second with the best towing performance, equal dyno numbers to the GM but worse track performance due to the nearly 600lb weight disadvantage. Ford got last by trailing big time in the dyno numbers and performance, and by far the worst mileage but had a comfy interior and was judged to have the best build quality and "best looks" (?).

Dyno numbers tested back to back with 4 runs each:

GM - 327 rwhp / 583 rwtq
Dodge - 321 rwhp / 582 rwtq
Ford - 274 rwhp / 539 rwtq

1/4 mile
GM - 14.7
Dodge - 15.2
Ford - 15.6

0-60 (unloaded / loaded)
GM - 7.2 / 20.7
Dodge - 7.9 / 20.8
Ford - 8.7 / 22.2

Curb weight measured with equal fuel -
GM - 6609 lb
Dodge - 7165 lb
Ford - 6698 lb

Fuel Mileage - average unloaded
GM - 14.6 mpg
Dodge - 14.5 mpg (when towing it had the best mileage)
Ford - 11.0 mpg

 

A 7000 lb diesel pickup going 0 to 60 in 7.9 from the factory. How freakin sweet is that?

 

Yeah, I have that mag and read that article. Thanks for summarizing it and making it easier to compare at a glance.

They kind of bashed the Dodge's interior and styling, but with that said, I'm not so sure owning a "stylish" Ford is going to make up for really sucky mileage and poor performance. I guess they have to make the interior nicer as you have to spend more time there.

Gee, any idea who would win if they compared under-the-hood friendliness among the three.

Yeah, I didn't buy the fastest and highest horsepower Chevy or the stylish Ford, but I'm still happy. Hmmm.

 

wow. good reading. Ill have to go buy that magazine. were the 1 ton DRW or what?

also i always was under the impression the ford was the heaviest of the big 3

 

i like how the "twin turbo V8" Ford is in last place for everything.....

 

My father is still not any happier with his Ford than when he first got it. It is still registering 13.5MPG anyway he drives it. this is reseting his overhead every fill up. Really wished he would have bought a pre 2003 with a 7.3. Says he would have gotten better mileage and less of a monthly payment. Those are pretty sorry numbers for a truck that is supposed to be 350/650.. Scotty

 

I have an 06 RAM cummins, my brotheroutlaw just bought a 08 duramax and let me tell ya, I can do an oil change, filter and fuel filter, before he can get his inner fender off and tire to get at his filter, hahahaha I like my truck, and with the XZT box I have more power and get better mileage,

 

That part was a little cheesy, the Dodge was a Quadcab Longbed, while the Ford was a Quadcab Shortbed and the GM was only an Extended cab Short bed. Which explains part of the huge weight differences. The Dodge also had chrome sidesteps and other crap that added unneeded weight. I'm still shocked how light the Ford was.

Dyno numbers from the 6.7 are solid. Despite being rated at 15hp and 10tq less than the Duramax, it made only 7rwhp and 1 rwtq less on the dyno. And Dodge and GM are clearly underrating their engines because according to that, they're losing less than 10% through the drivetrain.

And the 6.4L... rated the same 350/650 as the 6.7L yet it made 47 rwhp and 43 rwtq less. But at least you can brag about your factory dual turbos To be fair the Ford might have been a low-powered freak compared to other Fords, but you can't say it was stuck in regen because the lack of power showed in every performance test they did.

 

If the Ford was an F450 or had 4.88 gears, then it was the detuned 325 HP model.

I'm amazed at the weight ratings too. I had an 05 F250 CC SWB and it rode orders of magnitude better than my QC SWB, so I always thought it felt heavier than the Dodge.

 

Diesel World Mag compared pre-2007 Big 3 about a year or two back. I think the results were similar.

 

There's a lot of guys like that out there, but the fact is finding a 7.3 that isn't thrashed and doesn't have a bunch of mileage on it is getting real hard to find.

So I figure while all the new stuff is going to have this emissions crap on it eventually, why not get a truck that can be easily worked on without removing the entire cab? It's strange to read on the Ford sites about guys asking if this mod or that repair requires removal of the cab. That's insane and I wanted no part of that when I went to buy, I don't care how many turbos it has.

Yeah, so my new 6.7 has an EGR cooler, but after owning an '05 6.0 Powerstroke and having to have that part replaced, I wouldn't be intimidated to do it myself on the Cummins (after the warranty expires of course). I couldn't believe when I saw it was right on the top of the motor! I think the Powerstroke required 8 to 9 shop hours to get it done.

Other than everything being computerized these days, I'm not intimidated (read depressed) by what I see or more importantly, don't see when I open the hood on my Ram.

 

I hate to see the GM outpull the CTD loaded, but the numbers don't lie. The 'max is a good engine and the old 'put 10k behind that v-8 and see who comes out on top' attitude just had its door slammed. The 'max has less cubes and delivers better performance. Just can't argue the #'s. I'm certain I've got more rear wheel torque than any of them, so to heck with the shiny new stuff It is nice to see an even playing field between GM and Dodge---more options for the consumer. I'm saddened about the Ferd, but not entirely surprised. I wish it was closer to the other two. JMO.

 

Did it list the trap speeds for them?

 

For my money I still think that Dodge makes a better truck than GM. Dodge remains a real truck. GM ? Besides for $6k difference I will make my truck fly with mods. Cummins Diesel is the only real Diesel out there out of the big 3.

 

Actually, I'd say the Dodge is doing far better than it used to for towing performance. The LBZ used to eat the Ram's lunch with the old 5.9L/48RE combo in the magazine tests even with a load behind. Now even with the Dmax pulling around 600lbs less due to the weight difference, their loaded 0-60 was essentially equal with 10k lbs out back.

0-60 really isn't the best indicator of towing performance though, and they even mentioned that the Ram had more pull than the Dmax if you needed to step out and pass someone because of the low end torque rush. Plus the exhaust brake makes it a winner for load control.

And as far as the 6.6 being smaller, it's only 6 ci or less than 1% difference. Plus the 6.7 is already 2010 EPA compliant which saps more power from the engine.

No trap speeds listed,. sorry.