fuel additive for the '03
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Re:fuel additive for the '03
[quote author=bulabula link=board=20;threadid=16570;start=#155834 date=1057171453]
whew.... talk about thread hijacking. What was the original question? Fuel additives for an '03?
Look here at this service bulletin: http://www.fleetguard.com/pdfs/servi...3379001-07.pdf
At least it doesn't appear to be marketing propoganda like the other Bosch/Stanadyne et al pitch. And yes, it does discuss where additives can prove to be beneficial if using contingency fuels.
What's CARB? Maybe they'll be flipping burgers at mickey dee's in a month or two.
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It's HARDLY "thread hijacking" (and certainly not intended as such!), when the basic question indicates a potential misunderstanding of the issue - and possibly the ANSWER as well!
LOTS of diesel newbies haven't a CLUE as to the history, or recently changing properties of diesel fuels, or WHY it's various properties are important to the efficiency and long life of a diesel engine, and what steps or products might be benificial to provide maximum reasonable performance from their fuel - as far as some are concerned, "diesel is diesel!" Before an intelligent analysis of the issue, and answers, can be arrived at, that backround information might be a vital link in arriving at an informed conclusion!
What good is HALF an answer, or an answer that doesn't fully explain WHY it's considered the correct answer? ??? ??? ???
Anyway, note the following from the supplied Fleetguard pointer:
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Among the situations where additives can prove useful are the following:
1. A cetane improver additive can be used with low certain fuels.
2. A pour point depressant or flow improver additive can help with high pour point fuels.
3. A wax crystal modifier can help with fuels with high cold filter plugging points (CFPP).
4. An anti-icer can help prevent ice formation in wet fuel during cold weather.
5. Fleetguard’s Fleet-tech™ Winter Conditioner (pint - CC2591, quart - CC2592, 2.5 gallon - CC2595, 5 gallons -
CC2593, 55 gallons - CC2594, and bulk - CC2590) can be used to improve the pour point and cold filter plugging
point of diesel fuels in addition to preventing ice formation in wet fuels during cold storage. Although other additives
are available thatmay provide some winter performance benefits, Fleet-tech™ Winter Conditioner is the only diesel
fuel additive recommended by Cummins for winter performance improvements.
6. An anti-oxidant or storage stability additive can help with fuel system deposits and poor storage stability.
7. A lubricity enhancer can be used to increase the lubricity of fuels so that they meet the requirements given in table
1.
8. Cummins Premium Plus - Diesel Fuel Additive or Fleetguard’s Fleet-tech™ Asphaltene Conditioner (quart - CC2597
and 2.5 gallon CC2596) can be used to clean carbon deposits from injectors and improve lubricity in fuels that
fall below the recommended lubricity specification in Table 1. Although other additives may provide some performance
benefits, Premium Plus and Fleet-tech™ Asphaltene Conditioner are the only diesel fuel additives
recommended by Cummins for use with fuels that do not meed the lubricity specification in Table 1.
9. A biocide or fungicide can help when fuels are prone to contamination with bacteria or fungus. Although other
additives may provide some performance benefits, Fleet-tech™ Microbicide (quart - CC2661 and gallon - CC2662)
is the only product recommended by Cummins to treat fuels with biological contamination problems.
Premium diesel fuels can possibly contain several additives that can accomplish the same as buying additives and
adding them to lower quality diesel fuel. A premium diesel fuel is defined by the Worldwide Fuel Charter as described
on page 1.
Cummins recommends the use of a premium diesel fuel during winter (ambient conditions at -7°C [20°F] or below)
operating conditions.
Great care must be exercised in the choice and use of additives. Some fuel additives can be harmful to the engine.
Fuel additives containing ash forming materials will cause combustion chamber deposits. Most legitimate fuel additives
perform only one function. Multifunctional fuel additives are mixtures of several additives. All fuel additives perform
differently in different fuels; therefore, the additive used must be one to which the fuel will respond. There are no known additives that increase the power or improve the efficiency of a properly maintained engine."
===============
3 points:
According to results pointed to from Bosch, 80% of fuels tested in California as recently as the first of THIS year would have to be considered "contingency fuel" due to areas of specification NOT meeting minimum requirements!
Cummins "neither approves OR disapproves of additives" - but it's interesting to note that they DO approve of the ones that THEY, or their subsidiary, Fleetguard sells - do ya think maybe $$$ - and WHO is receiving it - plays a part here?
;D ;D ;D
As to the statement "There are no known additives that increase the power or improve the efficiency of a properly maintained engine.", I guess they've never heard of propane or nitrous oxide...
whew.... talk about thread hijacking. What was the original question? Fuel additives for an '03?
Look here at this service bulletin: http://www.fleetguard.com/pdfs/servi...3379001-07.pdf
At least it doesn't appear to be marketing propoganda like the other Bosch/Stanadyne et al pitch. And yes, it does discuss where additives can prove to be beneficial if using contingency fuels.
What's CARB? Maybe they'll be flipping burgers at mickey dee's in a month or two.
[/quote]
It's HARDLY "thread hijacking" (and certainly not intended as such!), when the basic question indicates a potential misunderstanding of the issue - and possibly the ANSWER as well!
LOTS of diesel newbies haven't a CLUE as to the history, or recently changing properties of diesel fuels, or WHY it's various properties are important to the efficiency and long life of a diesel engine, and what steps or products might be benificial to provide maximum reasonable performance from their fuel - as far as some are concerned, "diesel is diesel!" Before an intelligent analysis of the issue, and answers, can be arrived at, that backround information might be a vital link in arriving at an informed conclusion!
What good is HALF an answer, or an answer that doesn't fully explain WHY it's considered the correct answer? ??? ??? ???
Anyway, note the following from the supplied Fleetguard pointer:
=============
Among the situations where additives can prove useful are the following:
1. A cetane improver additive can be used with low certain fuels.
2. A pour point depressant or flow improver additive can help with high pour point fuels.
3. A wax crystal modifier can help with fuels with high cold filter plugging points (CFPP).
4. An anti-icer can help prevent ice formation in wet fuel during cold weather.
5. Fleetguard’s Fleet-tech™ Winter Conditioner (pint - CC2591, quart - CC2592, 2.5 gallon - CC2595, 5 gallons -
CC2593, 55 gallons - CC2594, and bulk - CC2590) can be used to improve the pour point and cold filter plugging
point of diesel fuels in addition to preventing ice formation in wet fuels during cold storage. Although other additives
are available thatmay provide some winter performance benefits, Fleet-tech™ Winter Conditioner is the only diesel
fuel additive recommended by Cummins for winter performance improvements.
6. An anti-oxidant or storage stability additive can help with fuel system deposits and poor storage stability.
7. A lubricity enhancer can be used to increase the lubricity of fuels so that they meet the requirements given in table
1.
8. Cummins Premium Plus - Diesel Fuel Additive or Fleetguard’s Fleet-tech™ Asphaltene Conditioner (quart - CC2597
and 2.5 gallon CC2596) can be used to clean carbon deposits from injectors and improve lubricity in fuels that
fall below the recommended lubricity specification in Table 1. Although other additives may provide some performance
benefits, Premium Plus and Fleet-tech™ Asphaltene Conditioner are the only diesel fuel additives
recommended by Cummins for use with fuels that do not meed the lubricity specification in Table 1.
9. A biocide or fungicide can help when fuels are prone to contamination with bacteria or fungus. Although other
additives may provide some performance benefits, Fleet-tech™ Microbicide (quart - CC2661 and gallon - CC2662)
is the only product recommended by Cummins to treat fuels with biological contamination problems.
Premium diesel fuels can possibly contain several additives that can accomplish the same as buying additives and
adding them to lower quality diesel fuel. A premium diesel fuel is defined by the Worldwide Fuel Charter as described
on page 1.
Cummins recommends the use of a premium diesel fuel during winter (ambient conditions at -7°C [20°F] or below)
operating conditions.
Great care must be exercised in the choice and use of additives. Some fuel additives can be harmful to the engine.
Fuel additives containing ash forming materials will cause combustion chamber deposits. Most legitimate fuel additives
perform only one function. Multifunctional fuel additives are mixtures of several additives. All fuel additives perform
differently in different fuels; therefore, the additive used must be one to which the fuel will respond. There are no known additives that increase the power or improve the efficiency of a properly maintained engine."
===============
3 points:
According to results pointed to from Bosch, 80% of fuels tested in California as recently as the first of THIS year would have to be considered "contingency fuel" due to areas of specification NOT meeting minimum requirements!
Cummins "neither approves OR disapproves of additives" - but it's interesting to note that they DO approve of the ones that THEY, or their subsidiary, Fleetguard sells - do ya think maybe $$$ - and WHO is receiving it - plays a part here?
;D ;D ;DAs to the statement "There are no known additives that increase the power or improve the efficiency of a properly maintained engine.", I guess they've never heard of propane or nitrous oxide...
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Re:fuel additive for the '03
[quote author=Gary - KJ6Q link=board=20;threadid=16570;start=15#155851 date=1057173175]
...Great care must be exercised in the choice and use of additives. Some fuel additives can be harmful to the engine.
Fuel additives containing ash forming materials will cause combustion chamber deposits....[/quote]
Key word: Harmful. Why does this part of the publication not raise a huge, red flag for people who don't know the makeup of whatever additive they're using? Unless I miss my guess, most people using additives don't have a clue what the additive they're dumping in their tank consists of.
I guess they never heard of propane or nitrous you put in your fuel tank. Neither have I.
...Great care must be exercised in the choice and use of additives. Some fuel additives can be harmful to the engine.
Fuel additives containing ash forming materials will cause combustion chamber deposits....[/quote]
Key word: Harmful. Why does this part of the publication not raise a huge, red flag for people who don't know the makeup of whatever additive they're using? Unless I miss my guess, most people using additives don't have a clue what the additive they're dumping in their tank consists of.
I guess they never heard of propane or nitrous you put in your fuel tank. Neither have I.
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Re:fuel additive for the '03
[quote author=cp link=board=20;threadid=16570;start=#155898 date=1057185992]<br>[quote author=Gary - KJ6Q link=board=20;threadid=16570;start=15#155851 date=1057173175]<br>...Great care must be exercised in the choice and use of additives. Some fuel additives can be harmful to the engine.<br>Fuel additives containing ash forming materials will cause combustion chamber deposits....[/quote]<br><br>Key word: Harmful. Why does this part of the publication not raise a huge, red flag for people who don't know the makeup of whatever additive they're using? Unless I miss my guess, most people using additives don't have a clue what the additive they're dumping in their tank consists of. <br><br>I guess they never heard of propane or nitrous you put in your fuel tank. Neither have I.<br>[/quote]<br><br>I agree - caution and careful selection needs to apply to additives...<br><br>As far as propane or nitrous, why does something have to be placed into the "fuel tank" to be considered a fuel additive - doesn't it count if it's added somewhere in the fuel supply closer to the engine?
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