Fram filters
I have friend that worked in plant that made filter media. He said on numerous occasions that Fram would use all of the media that the other manufacturers deemed to have a "low" quality rating. I also have a friend that runs them on his BBC in his racecar and has never had an issue. Take it for what it's worth.
Originally posted by Barry Smith
I have said this before The Fleetguard plant here makes some Fram filters and some Wix filters and some Napa filters. My wife works there and said they all come off the same line just different paint and boxes. After reading here I'm having her check to see what applications they are for, whether they are for our trucks. So the "Wix is good Fram is junk" just doesn't fly. They're actually only 2 or 3 filter makers, it's kind of like batteries there aren't many people that make them just put different names on them. I've seen the list of filters Cummins suggest but don't understand them not supporting a filter that their company makes (Cummins owns Fleelguard)? I'm sure Stratapore is a different media than the others.
I have said this before The Fleetguard plant here makes some Fram filters and some Wix filters and some Napa filters. My wife works there and said they all come off the same line just different paint and boxes. After reading here I'm having her check to see what applications they are for, whether they are for our trucks. So the "Wix is good Fram is junk" just doesn't fly. They're actually only 2 or 3 filter makers, it's kind of like batteries there aren't many people that make them just put different names on them. I've seen the list of filters Cummins suggest but don't understand them not supporting a filter that their company makes (Cummins owns Fleelguard)? I'm sure Stratapore is a different media than the others.
I've always stuck by what DC and Cummins approves. All I can tell by cutting a filter apart is what it looks like. The Fram looks like junk and the Wix looks better but both came apart and clogged piston cooling nozzles leading to galled cylinder walls and total engine failure. Purolator is on the approved list and it looks kinda whimpy next to the real Mopar/Fleetguard or Cummins/Fleetguard. I've used many Purolators and Fleetguards. Frams aren't even approved for DC gas burners. I learned that when I put one one the Mrs' '94 Neon. The valves clattered the next morning. I called the dealership. The service writer asked if I had a Fram on it. They don't hold oil in the top end and aren't approved. Never again used one for anything.
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Where does DC say Purolator is approved but not Fram? DC always reccomends their parts. If there is only one recurring part that they reccomend to maintain the warrenty and it is only made by them, then that manufacturer must supply that part free. look up the Moss Magnoson Act. The big 4 filter manufacturers are Fram, Champion Labs, Wix and Purolator. These 4 manufacturer there own brand name as well as Firestone, Pennzoil, Valvoline, NAPA and many other brand names. They also make different grades of filters. DC reccomends there own brand so they can sell more of them. I have 2 quick lube garages. It is amazing how much utter BS is spread just like this post. I have customers that swear by Fram, Wix, Penzoil, Amzsoil, Rotella, and whatever else. We carry all the lines of filters mentioned above with the exception of Fram and all the oils mentioned above along with others. I am not against Fram,we just have a contract with 1 company and are using up inventory from another. The 3rd is used when we have had a back order and need filters. There are always issues with any parts, sometimes recalls and sometimes a faulty filter. The thing is, we have done over 10, 000 oil changes since I have been in business. The one reason that I have seen that causes an engine to break is lack of changing oil at the auto maker's recommended interval. People will swear by a product on vehicles that have a ton of miles (I mean well over 350k) and if I look at there records I see the same thing. (they keep there oil changed) All 4 manufactureres make a good filter. I have a 35K car and would not hesitate to put a Fram on there along with other 3 brands or a Stratopore. You can't tell the quality of the material for filtration by cutting a filter open. You need to know something about that filament. Don't give me this crap about a an engine fried due to using brand X. I doubt it. There were other factors and the filter was blamed or the oil or some other sh-- that was irrelevant.
You make some excellent points here Sloppy. It is, however, actually documented that a (now changed) Fram filter design resulted in some CTD failures. It was due to the back flow valve material used. It disintegrated and clogged oil galleys resulting in engine failure. Fram has since changed the back flow valve to a higher grade silicone. As far as being on the "approved" list, I've never heard or read about that. Reading my Ram manual, any filter made for your specific year & engine (the application as specified by the filter manufacturer) will NOT void the warranty. My manual does mention the Fram incident, but says they are fine now in so many words. I personally won't use one. I want the best filter I can buy.
Sloppy, You should stick to the post as written and not try to insert a whole pile of words (your words) and try to pass them off as other's BS when it's your own BS. Here's the TSB.
http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2001/09-004-01.htm
http://dodgeram.info/tsb/2001/09-004-01.htm
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Hannibal:
Like I said in my post, every part manufacturer has a problem lot or product recall from time to time. Fram, MOPAR, Wix and whoever. What stands out is consistency, as well as warrenty. I am no fan or opponent of Fram, they do make a consistently good filter and have an quality warrenty. I have had customers say their car did not run right because a Fram wasn't put on or brand X gave their Grandma hemmeroids or whatever. It is just humorous how much superstition there is between oil and filters. We have had a bad lot on one of our lines. My locations had no problems (Ford filters) but the manufacturer was willing to back anything that came from it. Hannibal, I don't have an ax to grind with you, but Fram and Wix are solid products same as MOPAR, Rotella, Amsoil, Valvoline and others. I don't for one minute believe that filter screwed your wife's Neon up. The car had other issues ,you know it and I know it. The 2004 owners manual does not have a reccomended list of filters to use. By the way, why continue to post here if you are driving a Hemi. Seems a little odd? Why would I want to here what an unsatisfied Cummins owner had to say in the first place?
Like I said in my post, every part manufacturer has a problem lot or product recall from time to time. Fram, MOPAR, Wix and whoever. What stands out is consistency, as well as warrenty. I am no fan or opponent of Fram, they do make a consistently good filter and have an quality warrenty. I have had customers say their car did not run right because a Fram wasn't put on or brand X gave their Grandma hemmeroids or whatever. It is just humorous how much superstition there is between oil and filters. We have had a bad lot on one of our lines. My locations had no problems (Ford filters) but the manufacturer was willing to back anything that came from it. Hannibal, I don't have an ax to grind with you, but Fram and Wix are solid products same as MOPAR, Rotella, Amsoil, Valvoline and others. I don't for one minute believe that filter screwed your wife's Neon up. The car had other issues ,you know it and I know it. The 2004 owners manual does not have a reccomended list of filters to use. By the way, why continue to post here if you are driving a Hemi. Seems a little odd? Why would I want to here what an unsatisfied Cummins owner had to say in the first place?
I never said a Fram filter "screwed up" my wife's Neon. I said the valves clattered. The Fram doesn't have a check valve to hold oil in the top end while the motor sits overnight. The lifters go flat and clatter until oil pressure comes back up. I replaced the Fram with a Mopar filter and it never did it again. I used Purolator on it mostly. We gave it to my mom and it now has 152k miles on it. Wife's Durango gets Mopar and Purolator. Fram is a bare minimum filter. Chances of a problem are slim but there's better available.
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Hannibal:
That's BS on the filter. Fram and the other major players have filters with check valves. If yours didn't, it's because you installed the wrong filter part. I have seen this happen before. 2 filters look alike, the incorrect one with the incorrect valve had a noticeable problem as soon as the car started. The filter will bulge and deform almost immediately. You just don't know what you are talking about. As for the "childish comment", I could care less where you post, I am just curious as to why here instead of a "Hemi" post. I am sure they could use your filter expertise there.
That's BS on the filter. Fram and the other major players have filters with check valves. If yours didn't, it's because you installed the wrong filter part. I have seen this happen before. 2 filters look alike, the incorrect one with the incorrect valve had a noticeable problem as soon as the car started. The filter will bulge and deform almost immediately. You just don't know what you are talking about. As for the "childish comment", I could care less where you post, I am just curious as to why here instead of a "Hemi" post. I am sure they could use your filter expertise there.
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While most of us have Cummins, I don't think that's the ticket get's us in the door here. The rest of the truck is basically the same and many issues are common. Nothing wrong with the Hemi, to each his own.
I seem to remember the issue with the filters was moisture. Am I wrong? It was moisture that disolved the (paper?) media inside the Fram.
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I seem to remember the issue with the filters was moisture. Am I wrong? It was moisture that disolved the (paper?) media inside the Fram.
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