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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 08:30 AM
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Dw Saga... Help

Well, I figured I had all the parts to cure this darn DW but its not happening. I have a 2" lift and have a set of like new 315 BFG AT installed. (see sig) DW would occur at any bump or off camber road seam 45mph or higher at random. I installed the DSS (?) pitman arm stabilizer bar with NO DW help (and IMO still has horrible steering slop). I installed Bilstien 5100s F&R; rides nicer but still gets DW. New sterring stabilizer installed.. STILL have DW. Next, I get a Thuren ADJ track bar for the 1/4" offset needed for alignment to compensate for the 2' lift- NO DW help there either

OK so its the 315 BFGs right? Nope. I'm possitive they don't help and I wish I never bought them due to the "taller" gearing feel but I took these off and reinstalled the 265 OEM wheels/tires that came with the truck at 65psi. Much better responce but I still get the white knuckle DW on bumps over 45mph!

I was going to order some new load range E tires like the 285 Nitto ATs but will that be a waste too? PLEASE tell me I'm over looking something. Steering box shot? ball joint? Im open to tips

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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 09:49 AM
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Let me guess...

The factory BFG Rugged Trail 265's?

ANYTHING with BFG printed on the side shouldn't be on these trucks in my opinion..

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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 11:19 AM
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After all of this have you had the truck aligned?? If not, by lifting the front you have changed some of the factory spec angles and that might be the cause of the DW.

I had a bad DW problem, so bad in fact I could put either side into DW (one tire at a time) 87,000 miles and no alignment, ball joints that were shot and stock origanal tires. There is not one thing that wil cause DW but many little things not being "just right"
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by THURENfab.
Let me guess...

The factory BFG Rugged Trail 265's?

ANYTHING with BFG printed on the side shouldn't be on these trucks in my opinion..

YEP

E rated and inflated to 65 psi too.

Ohh, Hi Don, I replied back to your email too- thanks!
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 12:35 PM
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After all of this have you had the truck aligned?? If not, by lifting the front you have changed some of the factory spec angles and that might be the cause of the DW.

I had a bad DW problem, so bad in fact I could put either side into DW (one tire at a time) 87,000 miles and no alignment, ball joints that were shot and stock origanal tires. There is not one thing that wil cause DW but many little things not being "just right"
No I did not. When I took it in to the shop last month the guy said the DW may be due to the crappy shocks or the D rated tires. It tracks fine but yet again I don't know what all an alignment actually consists of. I was going to take it in and have the ball joints checked and an alignment done if new tires were in order. I figured I'd do it all in 1 shot.

Should I just go get it aligned now with the current 315 rubber and see what happens? THANKS
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 01:19 PM
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The only time I ever noticed a slight wobble is when the tire shop just performed the normal spin balance. I turned around, took it back and had them Road Force balance. Never have had the problem again.
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by ToyKraz
The only time I ever noticed a slight wobble is when the tire shop just performed the normal spin balance. I turned around, took it back and had them Road Force balance. Never have had the problem again.
Never heard of that type of balancing-
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by THURENfab.
Let me guess...

The factory BFG Rugged Trail 265's?

ANYTHING with BFG printed on the side shouldn't be on these trucks in my opinion..



Sinc eBFG is owqned and produced by Michelin better wipe them off your list also.


the old BFG's were garbage since michelin bought them out quality and performance are better than they were.


take a serious look at caster have you measured where your knuckles are at and where the axle housing is at relative to the control arms
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 06:03 PM
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How bout ball joints tie rods etc. I believe DW is a mix of contributing factors the bigger tires just compound the problem of worn out front end parts. Its not solely the tires to blame because like you said you put the stockers back on and still had DW. A lot of people have had this problem with many different tires and sizes including stock michelins
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 11:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ddestruel
Sinc eBFG is owqned and produced by Michelin better wipe them off your list also.


the old BFG's were garbage since michelin bought them out quality and performance are better than they were.
Ok so Michelin reconfigured the entire BFG factory, and re engineered the entire BFG line tire internal constuction top to bottom? Good to know, as that is the only way a BFG AT is going to be "different" in my eyes..

Let me just say that MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY death wobble ventures finally end by loosing the BFG's..
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by 2Armor

Should I just go get it aligned now with the current 315 rubber and see what happens? THANKS
NO



You are either going to have to throw A LOT of money at it, or you can swap out to a Toyo/Nitto/Yokohama/etc and be done with it...
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by booman70
How bout ball joints tie rods etc. I believe DW is a mix of contributing factors the bigger tires just compound the problem of worn out front end parts. Its not solely the tires to blame because like you said you put the stockers back on and still had DW. A lot of people have had this problem with many different tires and sizes including stock michelins
I can take a 2008 truck with 265 BFG's and DW, swap out to 315 D rated Yokohamas, and the truck is more smooth/safe than off the lot..
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Old Jun 4, 2008 | 11:14 PM
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Oh also, don't get me wrong, you can't go tracking down DW if you have loose/worn components. I CAN tell you though that I have dealt TONS of 2007-2008 trucks right off the lot with DW, so how worn are the components going to be?

Most of these trucks had BFG rugged trails, and the DW was gone with a tire swap..
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Old Jun 5, 2008 | 10:59 AM
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Thanks for all this additional info. I like the BFG A/Ts and have/ had them on other vehicles but maybe this ram just wont do em as MANY others have stated in the past.

I went with my original plan and ordered the NITTO Terra grapplers in 285/70-17 load range E. My brother has these on his 05 truck and really likes them. He said speedo is only off 1 MPH at 55MPH when compared to his GPS and the "gearing" feel identical to the 265s when driving / towing.

The tires will show up this afternoon and I hope to get an apt made to have them installed and an alignment done tomorrow. hopefully thats all it need as I only have 40k on this truck..

I'll post results once its done, maybe my path will help another mbr with trouble shooting this issue- SS
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Old Jun 6, 2008 | 08:49 AM
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Nittos showed up last night. Off to find a place that wont cry about fitting tires one size larger than OEM Specs...

Then I'll change my sig
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