Well I decided to read the park recall, but only after my 05 decied to take a 100 yd trip across a parking lot! It managed to hit a fence, dumpster, and rest on a 10" I -beam. Dodge said they will look into sending out a investigating crew. I figure the $8000.00 should be paid by them. As others stated it was in park but seemed to jump out.

I thought maybe it was my fault. But if you put it in reverse, the truck moves fast enough that you can't even exit it! Has anyone taken any course against DC? This is simply stupid! If the I-beam didn't stop it, it would have blown through 4 lanes of heavy traffic! Maybe thats what needs to happen to end this!

Jeff

 

I'm glad they opened up another forum for debate but just a question. When I park I put the e-brake on, and sometimes put it in gear before releasing the e-brake. When I pull the ebrake the truck takes off, so it has the power to hold the truck back (I know you shouldn't use it in winter, ect). But people with converters, boxes all that, will the e-brake hold the truck?? I used to be that way with my old truck never use the e-brake, but I have gotten into the use of it, especially on hills, slopes, ect. anyway I'm not trying to start anything, just currious if the people that have had run away trucks, have had the brake on??

I really think they should make these sort of things optional. I race MX and fourwheelers and hate the new ones that have reverse limiters, 4x4 limiters, start limiters, it's great for the average joe who gets on, floors it, and dosen't realize he's in reverse, I mean honistly, it will keep more people safe. But for those who have been around them all there life, they should have the option not to have it. (this is not saying anything against the people, or something like they were at fault) but maybe somethings wrong with the shift lever on some of the trucks??

The only reason i say that is where I live now, there is like a 30 foot drop behind my truck (rock wall) so I always put in P, set e-brake, let off brakes very slowly (no the chain link fence wont' stop the 7000lbs brick I do agree though, if it's a defect from dodge, they should fix it, not just add something else

Also dodge needs to add
Better lift pump
Replace everybody with a cruddy plastic intercooler

 

Hmmm, operator fails to adequately secure vehicle before exiting and vehicle runs away causing damage.

Even better, the question is then asked "should DC be held liable for damage?". This oughta be good.


Seriously, step back and look at this subjectively. There is a parking brake that will hold the truck even if you are on the throttle. Would this come up if the truck in question was a manual? If you fail to secure a manual truck and it pops out of gear, or the dog knocks it out gear, or it rolls against the engine is this a manufacturer defect or operator error? What is the difference between a manual and auto that the auto should be exempt from following the owners manual reccomendations?

The root problem is an adjustment issue not a part failure. The perceived problem, warranty issues, collateral damage, etc, goes away if the operator follows the owners manual reccomendations and few best practices. The owner/operator is responsible for performing maintenance or having it done and for recognizing possible safety issues and addressing them. Simply put, the attempt to shift the blame to the manufacturer is a way to avoid responsibility for actions or lack thereof. How then can any blame be allocated to the manufacturer when the owner did not provide "due diligence"?

For those that think DC should pay for the damage incurred by their negligence, I sincerely hope you lose and it comes out of your pocket. Not because I wish anyone ill, but, because in the long run it will cost me in purchase price, insurance, etc.

My 02.

 

Jeff,

Here's what I think is going to happen.

DC is going to evaluate their exposure to this. If it turns out that you were notified about the recall in a timely manner yet still failed to act diligently (for whatever reason) the liability will be yours.

If you have not yet received the recall notice it is entirely their baby, unless somewhere in the owners manual it clearly states to utilize the parking brake each time you park and exit the vehicle.

6 oh no brings a valid angle to this interesting question. Either way, I wish you the best and I am sorry you had to experience this.

 

After carefully placing the handle into the park position on my truck, and then placeing the parking brake on correctly. Left my truck watched it as I was walking away. Then when I came back she had rolled up agaisnt one of those concrete barriers.
It was a mintue or so before I had left the truck after it was in park and brake set. No roll back.
It can and will happen. Even if you have your e brake set properly.

 

I had an 05 that had the same problem. It is definitely not a driver error. There never has been a question of why park was put in the automatic transmissions; it is to be used to PARK your vehicle. Chrysler has been aware of the problem and has failed to fix it. In my opinion they are taking a large gamble. When I took my truck to the dealer they said they had never heard of the problem and could find nothing wrong. I took that answer to mean DC had not suggested or authorized a fix. DC had to be aware of the problem if for no other reason they probably montior internet sites like this one to find out what owners like and dislike about their vehicles. I hope they make it right for you and come up with a fix for this problem.

 

Chrysler couldnt come up with a proper fix to do anything right. They seem to place the owness on the operator instead of them selves and poor quality. In one of their Recall notices it stated that the "driver may fail to properly engage the gear select lever into the Park position and apply the Parking brake correctly". "Resulting in the vehicle rolling away uncontrolled".
for the die hard DC fans out there, we all know your brand loyalty will always be DC.

The bottom line is they will not honor their defective products for the most part with a proper fix. And will push off a fix untill such time as the vehicles effected are all out of Warrenty. Then change the design enough that a recall will not effect the said vehicles. They save lots and the customer has to pay to get it fixed correctly.
Be die hard all you want, the one time that they really screw you may be your last time.

 

My 05 took off on me last year after reaching in from the ground and starting it up. Without even setting a foot in the cab.
If it was not in park why did it start?

 

Maybe you guys should write some letters to the NHTSA.

 

I hope you are all reporting this on the NHTSA web site. You need to take action if you want the issue resolved.

 

This sounds like the classic debate Audi had in the '80's on the Audi 5000 sudden acceleration issue. Was it the driver or was it the machine? Perhaps a little of both!

By the way, I had a '95 CTD Ram that exhibited the same problem of not being in the gear displayed on the shift selector. Since then I have never trusted the gear selector indicator on any automatic, Dodge or otherwise. Although my 2002 Audi is probably the most reliable and safest automatic to operate. It can be done!

Here is a long read but the parallels are uncanny: http://multinationalmonitor.org/hype...05/wathen.html

 

Park should be park. I have driven plenty of junk in my time and have had plenty of vehicals with "quirks". They were all over 10 years old though. When I spend this kind of money on a vehicle I expect it to work right. I got the computer flash with the annoying horn thing, so I have done my part. If my truck rolls across the parking lot and does 8k worth of damage after I exit it with it in park (Can you even remove the key if the trucks not in park? My last 2 Chevys couldnt.) I will expect Dodge to pony up for all damages caused by thier faulty equipment. I really hope the Issue never comes up I love my dodge.

 

EXACTLY. Times two.
Anybody with a heart beat and a computer knows about this recall. Use the park brake. (get it?? PARK brake??????)

 

Mine has never done this.....yet. I set my parking brake and use neutral when I exit the truck and leave it running. I believe in park the pump is not circulating fluid in the transmission, so therefore it is not being cooled when in park. I can't afford a new transmission, so I must take care of this one.

 

I WAS the last person in the world to use a parking brake on a day to day basis (unless it was a manual trans.) But having chased my truck one time while I exited to open a locked gate. I have become an everytime parking brake user.

Is it DC's fault for your accident........Probably not, but that does not mean you can't win a case!

See OJ Simpson and Hot coffee on lap at Mc Donalds trials for references