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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bronco351
Bio costs more!!!!! besides I ruined a VW running that crap.... Will never use it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Actually the nearest bio station to me is about 2-5 cents cheaper then dinodiesel.

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www.nearbio.org
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 12:48 PM
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Here in NC (where I am anyway) it is same price as ULSD. I run B-20. Mainly for the cleanliness of fuel system and lubricity. Cummins says OK to run B-20, (what do they know/they only designed and built engine) -----yet Dodge says only B-5 approved. I don't know reason why.
Cummins thinks you need better water stripping capability before you use more then 5% Bio. Below is from Cummins about Bio diesel.

A maximum blend of 5% biodiesel (B5) is acceptable as long as the biodiesel mixture meets ASTM specification D-975, D-975 - grade S-15, and ASTM D6751. A biodiesel fuel blend that is higher than 5% is not acceptable without additional fuel processing because these higher percentage biodiesel blends contain excess amounts of moisture which exceed the water stripping capability of the on-engine final fuel filter. Should a higher percentage biodiesel fuels be used an auxiliary water stripping filter will be required.

A maximum blend of 20% biodiesel (B20) can be used by government, military, and commercial fleets who equip their vehicle(s) with an optional water separator, and adhere to the guidelines in the Department of Defense specification A-A-59693 (in addition to: ASTM specification D-975, D-975 - grade S-15 and ASTM D6751
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 06:35 PM
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has anyone heard of B11...that's what a station near my house carries.
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Old Feb 6, 2008 | 06:47 PM
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B11 is common here in IL because it gets you to the tax break that states anything over 10% Biodiesel Blend has no sales tax added to it. It ends up being the same cost or slightly cheaper than regular ULSD. The big truckstop here in Gilman carries B11 as their only fuel and that place is well known for how good their fuel is. I always fill up there when I am needing fuel close to home and have NEVER had a problem AT ALL with it. Always get good fuel milage too.
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 12:53 AM
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right on...thanks so much for the answer.

since it will be my first fillup with bio diesel I'm going to shot for the equivalent of b2...time to pull out the calculator and get my basic math on.

pretty much about 1/5 of a tank with B11..the rest with ULSD?
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 10:35 AM
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http://www.dieselsecret.com/?gclid=C...FSBMGgodolDEfA
DSE has developed a revolutionary method for producing an inexpensive, high performance fuel that can power ANY DIESEL ENGINE and the cost to you is only 46¢ per gallon!
Ok... this seems like a hoax... anyone know anything about this???

How bad will it truely "F" up your engine???
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mmurray
http://www.dieselsecret.com/?gclid=C...FSBMGgodolDEfA


Ok... this seems like a hoax... anyone know anything about this???

How bad will it truely "F" up your engine???

Dieselsecret is a scam! Anyway I run B100 ONLY.
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by GalenEdgewood
That'd be nice if it wasn't a 70+ mile trip one way from here to there.
Ya...I wasn't sure how far that was, just knew it was near *Sort of*.

So if you need an additional water separator to run B20 where do we obtain one and would that then allow us to run B100?

Is the water stripping the only hold back of B20 and up?

What makes the 12V and 24V water separators superior to ours, they run B20-B100?
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 11:31 AM
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WVO is waste oil used to make biodiesel which is diesel made from plant oils. If made correctly can be run in any thing that requires diesel.

SVO is straight waste oil which is thick and has to be heated to make thin. Then can be run in a diesel.

diesel secret is a blend of WVO and kerosene and gas and water remover.
It thins the thick wvo so your diesel can run it with out most the mess and brewing!

All 3 must be filtered and as free of water as possible.

I run anything that burns in my 24 valve. Over 250k on the oringinal vp. My newer 24 valve truck needed a vp before I started using WMO,WVO, etc...now has 50k on that pump. I never mix any more than 20%. Thats still saves $25-$30 each tank.
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 12:50 PM
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Ok thanks...

I would think that unless used rather quickly diesel secret wouldn't stay in emulsion... which could lead to more problems later...

http://www.localb100.com/book.html
This link has a text on making BioDiesel... Apparently this person teaches a class on making bio... and this is the text they use... I think I am going to get this and read it, before attempting to make it myself....

Any ideas??? or anyone ever read this before???
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mmurray
Ok thanks...

I would think that unless used rather quickly diesel secret wouldn't stay in emulsion... which could lead to more problems later...

http://www.localb100.com/book.html
This link has a text on making BioDiesel... Apparently this person teaches a class on making bio... and this is the text they use... I think I am going to get this and read it, before attempting to make it myself....

Any ideas??? or anyone ever read this before???

No need for a book. You can run B100 as long as you made or bought a batch that had a full reaction.

I can answer question and point you to the right direction.


Dieselsecret is a scam.
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Old Feb 7, 2008 | 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by DBLR
Cummins thinks you need better water stripping capability before you use more then 5% Bio. Below is from Cummins about Bio diesel.

A maximum blend of 5% biodiesel (B5) is acceptable as long as the biodiesel mixture meets ASTM specification D-975, D-975 - grade S-15, and ASTM D6751. A biodiesel fuel blend that is higher than 5% is not acceptable without additional fuel processing because these higher percentage biodiesel blends contain excess amounts of moisture which exceed the water stripping capability of the on-engine final fuel filter. Should a higher percentage biodiesel fuels be used an auxiliary water stripping filter will be required.

A maximum blend of 20% biodiesel (B20) can be used by government, military, and commercial fleets who equip their vehicle(s) with an optional water separator, and adhere to the guidelines in the Department of Defense specification A-A-59693 (in addition to: ASTM specification D-975, D-975 - grade S-15 and ASTM D6751
This is in reaction to the pretty new industry. There are some bio plants out there that are not real good at removing all the water out of the product, yet.

MN mandated 1% bio a few years ago, but they had to put a hold on it for a year or so, just because the bio was not in spec from some of the new plants starting to produce it.
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Old Feb 8, 2008 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by RUNONGREASE
No need for a book. You can run B100 as long as you made or bought a batch that had a full reaction.

I can answer question and point you to the right direction.


Dieselsecret is a scam.
Thanks... I appreciate that...

The reason I was going to get the text is simply for reference and from what I under stand there are actually plans for building an Appleseed processor...
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 04:24 AM
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a new study confirms what a stanford university study found a while back- bio fuels produce MORE greenhouse gases than conventional dino fuels.
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Old Feb 9, 2008 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by chipmonk
a new study confirms what a stanford university study found a while back- bio fuels produce MORE greenhouse gases than conventional dino fuels.
That is true to a point. Biodiesel does produce about 5-7% more NOx and produces more gross CO emissions. But since the fuel source is organic, the CO emission are netted against the fact that they are throwing CO out that was already in the atmosphere instead of introducing more like in a fossil fuel that is underground...I know does not seem like it make sense but if you think about it a little.
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