Where can you purchase ATF +4? Other then the Dodge dealer.

 

This is a dealer only fluid, unless you use a compatible fluid.

Valvoline Maxlife ATF says it is ATF+4 compatible and Amsoil has an universal ATF that is ATF+4 compliant.

 

Can't remember which board I read it on, but I think there is a place called Murphy's that has Mopar ATF+4 for $4.99. Based on that, I'm hoping it'll start appearing on discount parts stores soon.

By Law, a company can not require you to use thier fluid that can only be had from them. If they do, they have to give it away for free. Because of this and ATF+4 only seeming to be available for sale at dealers, the FTC needs to do something. Maybe we need to start complaining to the Government to enforce the Magnuson Moss Act.

 

I bought it at Pep Boys when I did the ATF on Pop's minvan. I've seen it at Wal-Mart, too. Quaker State was what I used.

 

I was just over at Pep Boys the other night and all they had was ATF +3. Since you've gotten ATF+4 at your local Pep Boys, hopefully mine will have it soon also.

 

Right now NO one sells ATF +4 except DC and AMSOIL ATF which is ATF+4. Most other places will sell you ATF+3 with a modifier that they say will make it ATF+4

 

I think I found ATF+4 answer. DC got it and are going to keep it.
http://www.imakenews.com/flashpoint/...e000202279.cfm

 

Does it make anyone nervous that the Amsoil stuff is "universal"? I would think that for each make's specs you would need different properties. Some that are oppsites from others.

For example the "F word" states that MerconV is all that can go in my Explorer. And even goes as far to warn against universals that a fluid can't be compatable with both MercV and the older standards.

 

Go to the head of the class. "Universal" = snake oil when it comes to transmission fluids, period.


>Does it make anyone nervous that the >Amsoil stuff is "universal"? I would think >that for each make's specs you would >need different properties. Some that are >oppsites from others.

>For example the "F word" states that >MerconV is all that can go in my Explorer. >And even goes as far to warn against >universals that a fluid can't be >compatable with both MercV and the >older standards.

 

hmmm, interesting thought process. period? I'm happy with my snake oil in my tranny. To each his own I guess.

 

There was a thread whereby a 2nd gen was denied warranty by 3 dealers because he had Amsoil in the tranny. Truck was down for 5 months.

http://dieselram.com/cgi-bin/ultimat...;f=29;t=000713

FWIW

 

I'm always suspect of the 3rd person's "a friend of mine's customer of his ...." stories. For all we don't know, that guy had a box on it etc.... and that all three dealers wouldn't touch it with a 10 mile pole. There's always at least two sides to every story, and we read one hearsay portion.

But snake oil? Don't think so.

 

Valvoline MaxLife is ATF +4 approved. It's right here, then click "product specs".

 

Unless I am misunderstanding you, I don't see where this article says that DC is going to keep anything to themselves. It looks like we actually have someone on our side in this matter. Only time will tell.

 

Sorry, didn't mean to be so terse, the 'period' comment was just meant to deter the usual five or ten subsequent posts quoting Amsoil as saying that their ATF is appropriate for every vehicle ever built. That can get old fast.

What I don't understand is how one fluid can possibly be 'universal' when several of the various formulations it is supposed to replace are quite different. That just doesn't pass the smell test to me. Also, if you use real ATF+4 (as DC clearly states is mandatory) you are assured of using the correct fluid. If you use Amsoil you 'might' (best case) be using an acceptable fluid. I don't think Amsoil is much cheaper than ATF+4, in fact I think it is more expensive(?). In any event why in the world would anyone take a chance?

Is that a reasonable thought process?