I don't see anywhere where it says it meets ATF +4 specs. It only says "Valvoline also recommends for use in Chrysler vehicles (including ATF+3 and ATF+4™)."

 

Valvoline MaxLife is ATF +4 approved. It's right here, then click "product specs".

Good point, but it's specs aren't as broad as Amsoil's is.

Had a bunch of vehicles with weird trans fluid requirements, my Jeep (46RH if memory serves) needed ATF+ (41??) which was hard to find at the time. My Audi had some weird yellow stuff in it. My Ford takes Merc-V, with a big emphasis on the "V" inlcuding the statement that basically it's impossible to make one fluid that's both V and non-V.

Sorry, not to take it too far off topic. But it would be nice to know that there is a good full-synth fluid for the 48RE that's sane to use.

 

guys maybe some one smarter than myself can desypher this,it is a msds spec. shee =http://www.doall.com/MSDS81601/ESLHYDATF4.pdft on atf+4 i do believe. good luck

 

Redline makes a full syn. fluid that I will switch to on my first tranny change. They make one for Chrysler.
The extra temps. that it will withstand make me feel better when I'm plowing.

Redline synthetic transmision fluid.

PS Always add a bottle of Smartlube or Lubegaurd with your regular fluid if you don't use synthetic.

SSteve

 

My 02 47re required atf+4 and i switched to redline synthetic at 15000. I verified with redline that it was compatable.Then i spoke with my oil rep. and he told me some of the local dealers use it .When and if the new truck gets here i will change it over much sooner .My trans temps lowered a bunch with the redline

 

RED LINE D4-ATF TRANSMISSION FLUID <------- is this the one you use?

 

Not sure what you mean by 'dealers'. Are you saying that your oil rep said that some of your local Dodge dealers are using Redline instead of ATF+4 ?

 

Use redline c+ atf fluid. I called redline and they said it was good too C+4. or Amsoil will work also.

SSteve

 

I think you guys are missing the point, it doesn't mean squat what the oil manufacturers say, whether it's Amsoil, Redline etc.

SSteve; call back that guy you spoke to at Redline and ask him if would come down to the dealer when you are trying to explain that Redline is as good as Chryslers to some lame service manager at your dealer.

Ask Redline if they will come to bat for you on a warranty issue?

Ask Amsoil if they will come to bat for you on a warranty issue?

Will they send a chemical engineer to defend your case???

If your tranny blows and you are using a non-approved transmission oil DC can TRY to void your warranty claim. Yea, eventually you will probably win your case and get the claim approved but do you really want to be without a truck while this litigation is going on, do you want to pay for a lawyer if one is needed.

Until they can says ATF+4 Chryler approved you might have a problem.

Ron W.

 

Yes, exactly. If I were the service manager and I discovered that an owner drained the factory-approved lubricant designed specifically for use in your 47/48RE and instead installed some miracle universal stuff because it was somehow 'better' than the approved fluid (in spite of the multiple statements in the manual clearly mandating the use of ATF+4) you can bet that I would disallow the claim... why would I want to try to cover it up and risk my job? As Ron said you may win the dispute... eventually, maybe. What I don't understand is why anyone would take the chance... there is no reason whatsoever to believe that ATF+4 is inferior to the 'miracle mix' or that the Redline/Amsoil/etc. will make your transmission live one day longer, other than the claims of the respective manufacturers which mean nothing because they are trying to sell you something. Maybe one of the 'universals' will do you no harm (I haven't heard of any transmissions with Amsoil in them blowing up) but why take a chance for no real benefit in return?

 

Redline and amsoil are ATF+4 rated I don't understand what you are trying to say . If the bottle says ATF+4 rated how can they deny a claim on your transmision?

SSteve

 

Well, regarding Amsoil, if the bottle contains the same language as the web site then it is merely 'recommemended' (only by Amsoil of course) for ATF+4 (and just about any other application immaginable, which should tell you something). I didn't see anything there about the product being actually approved by DC or any independant organization recognized by DC.

Redline does appears to be much more honest in that at least they have separate formulations for the different standards, but they again merely state that they feel their C+ synthetic 'satisfies the performance requirements of Chrysler MS7176', not that it has been approved by DC or any independant organization recognized by DC. Also note that MS7176 compatability does not necessarily guarantee MS7176+4 compatability. If I missed any more specific formal approvals for ATF+4 service regarding the Redline product then I apologize, but I didn't see them.

Here's an example... Mercon V is another ATF formulation where the vehicle manufacturer (Ford) is very specific about its use. I have a bottle of Castrol Mercon V and on the back it clearly states 'certified and approved by Ford for Mercon V applications', not that it is merely 'recommended' by Castrol.

I'm really not trying to flame anyone, just pointing out that if DC makes a stink during a warranty claim because an unapproved fluid was used (again, contrary to their very clear warnings) they are not going to care that it was 'recommended' by anyone. And you won't be able to go back at Amsoil because they never said that anyone ever really approved their product (although they are apparently more than happy to leave you with this impression). Maybe you won't have such a problem and maybe you will, you never know, but again... why risk it for no benefit in return?

 

guys look under lubeguard http://getautohelp.com/automotive_products/61910.html
the chrysler ms 7176 is atf +3 and atf+4 is ms9602 so none is really cetified as
atf+4

 

Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid

AMSOIL Introduces First Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid to meet all current specs for "Big Three" Automakers

AMSOIL INC. of Superior, Wisconsin, has introduced a new universal synthetic automatic transmission fluid designed for all vehicles requiring GM Dexron III, Mercon, Mercon V and Chrysler ATF+4. Another first for AMSOIL , the new AMSOIL Synthetic ATF eliminates the need for retailers, installers or consumers to carry multiple ATF products. Since Ford has gone from Mercon to Mercon V, questions have been raised whether Mercon and Mercon V are interchangeable. The new universal AMSOIL Synthetic ATF has been tested and is recommended for both applications.

Synthetic ATF

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Automatic Transmissions

Since 1999, due to the special requirements of their automatic transmissions, Chrysler has recommended a unique ATF+4 formulation. In addition, Chrysler has been recommending ATF+4 for all previous makes and models of Chrysler Corporation vehicles. The new AMSOIL Synthetic ATF exceeds the performance specifications for Chrysler ATF+, +2, +3, and +4 as well as MS-7176 A, B, C, D, & E; MS-9602 A, B, & C. as well as Ford Mercon or General Motors Dexron III applications. AMSOIL Synthetic ATF is available in quarts, quart cases, twin packs, 30-gallon and 55-gallon drums.

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It Looks like amsoil does meet chrysler aft+4

 

>It Looks like amsoil does meet chrysler aft+4

No, it looks like Amsoil (and no one else) says it does... and for the purposes of defending a warranty claim it doesn't matter one whit what Amsoil says. Did you read any of the previous posts?

Thanks for the Amsoil ad though, we can always use more of those...