Another 2 stroke oil question
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From: Oxford, MI
I understand what your saying...but I know that if they find two stroke oil added in your fuel system, they are going to have even more "issues" in honoring your warranty than if you have a problem with your fuel system and you haven't done any thing to cause a problem (Ie: adding crap to your fuel). I just don't see any benifit in risk-vs. reward to adding oil to your fuel system. but that is just me, not saying any one is rite or wrong for doing it ,It just seems like a problem waiting to happen from my point of veiw. Several people on here have said their warranty was void due to bad fuel (water in the system), how would you know what the pump is putting in the tank till it makes your engine puke? Then intentionally adding something to your fuel just sounds like a bad idea based on that to me.
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well the thing that is different between you and me is that I do not have a warranty. If I can do anything to help keep my truck from breaking down then I am willing to try it, within reason. Think about 2-stroke motors that rely on nothing but the added oil to the fuel for lubrication. there are ratio's that I am sure you would not want to go over or it might very well mess something up.
as for bad fuel, I definately agree that it would be hard to know your getting bad fuel unless you could analyze it before your put it into your truck. voiding warranty is getting to be about the only words that the dealers know now-a-days
as for bad fuel, I definately agree that it would be hard to know your getting bad fuel unless you could analyze it before your put it into your truck. voiding warranty is getting to be about the only words that the dealers know now-a-days
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I understand where your coming from, it just is not for me now that I understand why some are doing it. Possibly when I am out of warranty I'll be looking into this more. Thank you for the info!
As you probably have guessed, I'm new to this Diesel thing and this is my first Diesel, so I have lots of questions and am clueless to many things on these trucks.
As you probably have guessed, I'm new to this Diesel thing and this is my first Diesel, so I have lots of questions and am clueless to many things on these trucks.
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From: Forest Grove, Oregon
Yes it is more or less and the new ULSD is has less lube in it now that the EPA has screwd with it. IMO based on my 2006 truck with 3 injection events is that they don't benifit as much from 2 cycle oil like the 2004 and older truck do. At this time I'm using Lucas and may try out the 2 cycle oil again with the Lucas to see how it does. I tried PS and 2 cycle oil 50/50 during the winter and was not happy with that mix and saw a loss of 2.5 mpg.
I will agree with Morparman to not use any PS (unless you feel the need to use it for anti gel) because they use Naptha in there fuel additive to boost Centane. I don't see how they can claim PS adds lube to our fuel system if there product can not change the scare wear in our fuel system.
I will agree with Morparman to not use any PS (unless you feel the need to use it for anti gel) because they use Naptha in there fuel additive to boost Centane. I don't see how they can claim PS adds lube to our fuel system if there product can not change the scare wear in our fuel system.
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Not a good product to use...
http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/m...3/wcd04377.htm
You like dumping Naptha (Zippo lighter fluid / Coleman camp fuel), and paint thinner (mineral spirits) in your tank... No good on fuel system...
Seafoam is NOT recommend it diesels being it mostly alcohols/solvents.
http://www.seafoamsales.com/pdf/MSDS_SFTT_US.pdf <- MSDS sheet from Seafoam itself...
Well here we go... I've been mixing my fuel at a ratio of 128:1. That is 1 oz of oil for every 1 gallon of fuel. My MPG's are rising, my HP/TQ number a good and high, and my engine runs much quietier.
I started using 2 cycle oil at about 87K miles I went from 16-17 MPG's to 18-19 MPG and heading toward 20 MPG's!!!!
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...el%20graph.jpg
As for the dyno...
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...dynojet640.jpg
So if 2 cycle oil is so bad why are all my numbers good??? If you want more information on this PM me and I get you set up...
http://www.setonresourcecenter.com/m...3/wcd04377.htm
You like dumping Naptha (Zippo lighter fluid / Coleman camp fuel), and paint thinner (mineral spirits) in your tank... No good on fuel system...
Seafoam is NOT recommend it diesels being it mostly alcohols/solvents.
http://www.seafoamsales.com/pdf/MSDS_SFTT_US.pdf <- MSDS sheet from Seafoam itself...
Well here we go... I've been mixing my fuel at a ratio of 128:1. That is 1 oz of oil for every 1 gallon of fuel. My MPG's are rising, my HP/TQ number a good and high, and my engine runs much quietier.
I started using 2 cycle oil at about 87K miles I went from 16-17 MPG's to 18-19 MPG and heading toward 20 MPG's!!!!
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...el%20graph.jpg
As for the dyno...
http://www.frontiernet.net/~mopar197...dynojet640.jpg
So if 2 cycle oil is so bad why are all my numbers good??? If you want more information on this PM me and I get you set up...
I never said it was "so bad". All I can tell you is that I asked what I have been told is one of the best Cummins techs in the country face to face, and he just said he didn't think it was a "good" idea. On the otherhand, he didn't say my engine was doomed if I choose to add oil. What I took from it was that it had the "potential" to cause a problem under the right circumstances, but most likely it won't hurt anything. It's musch like using an Edge box or something, there are benefits but it can also cause a problem in some cases..
All this said, I will keep adding what I feel is a small amount of oil at fillup. I'd say if you are seeing benefits, keep doing it by all means. I just don't think I would claim this to be 100% safe until we hear it from Cummins.
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Did i miss something in Moparmans post? I didn't see where he said anything about PS. The comment about Naptha and mineral spirits on the data sheet is for Marvel Mystery Oil.
Did I miss something some where?
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VP44 IP pumps have had issues since day one with the fuel and fuel pressure. And that was back with LSD that was better than ULSD!
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Even better yet is the same stand of ULSD so are you improving the lubricity of your fuel??? No... If ULSD is 520 HFRR and PS meets 520 HFRR stand then there is no improvement...
Power Service FAQ's...
http://www.powerservice.com/faq.asp#9 <- Power Service FAQ
And now ULSD specs.
http://www.cenexenergy.com/Downloads/2ULSDSpec_2006.pdf <- Cennex #2 Diesel fuel
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I never said it was "so bad". All I can tell you is that I asked what I have been told is one of the best Cummins techs in the country face to face, and he just said he didn't think it was a "good" idea. On the other hand, he didn't say my engine was doomed if I choose to add oil. What I took from it was that it had the "potential" to cause a problem under the right circumstances, but most likely it won't hurt anything. It's much like using an Edge box or something, there are benefits but it can also cause a problem in some cases..
All this said, I will keep adding what I feel is a small amount of oil at fillup. I'd say if you are seeing benefits, keep doing it by all means. I just don't think I would claim this to be 100% safe until we hear it from Cummins.
All this said, I will keep adding what I feel is a small amount of oil at fillup. I'd say if you are seeing benefits, keep doing it by all means. I just don't think I would claim this to be 100% safe until we hear it from Cummins.
Wow! what a great idea. How bout a Thread where we can communicate with some of the best Cummins techs in the country, If they were willing, and we can figure a way to determine their rating as being the best.
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I never said it was "so bad". All I can tell you is that I asked what I have been told is one of the best Cummins techs in the country face to face, and he just said he didn't think it was a "good" idea. On the otherhand, he didn't say my engine was doomed if I choose to add oil. What I took from it was that it had the "potential" to cause a problem under the right circumstances, but most likely it won't hurt anything. It's musch like using an Edge box or something, there are benefits but it can also cause a problem in some cases..
All this said, I will keep adding what I feel is a small amount of oil at fillup. I'd say if you are seeing benefits, keep doing it by all means. I just don't think I would claim this to be 100% safe until we hear it from Cummins.
All this said, I will keep adding what I feel is a small amount of oil at fillup. I'd say if you are seeing benefits, keep doing it by all means. I just don't think I would claim this to be 100% safe until we hear it from Cummins.
http://cummins.com/jp/pages/en/custo...B380C4A8F0FC10
Here's how CENTINEL works: As your engine operates, CENTINEL monitors the duty cycle and load factors. When the conditions are right, it takes a small amount of used oil out of the lubrication system and sends it to your fuel tank, where it blends with your diesel fuel to be burned during combustion. Simultaneously, fresh oil is sent from a makeup tank to the engine, replacing the used oil that is being converted into productive energy.
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"The best Cummins techs in the country"
Wow! what a great idea. How bout a Thread where we can communicate with some of the best Cummins techs in the country, If they were willing, and we can figure a way to determine their rating as being the best.
Wow! what a great idea. How bout a Thread where we can communicate with some of the best Cummins techs in the country, If they were willing, and we can figure a way to determine their rating as being the best.