Hold on there Dixie! How did you know I was runnin the multi grade rotella 15-40 in my 2 cycle V6 detroit? Or did that stone just hit by accident ! HA, good through! and Straight 40 huh? OK. Yeh, I know it seems like water when it's to hot to handle and #5 is awfull skinny but this is newer tech stuff I'm dumb about . Amsoil is doing some bragging here with the ser. 3000 and backing it up the best I've heard when using dual bipass filtration according to this post.
Yet, I can't show you cummins approval of #5 anything and since I have 15000mi left on warranty of new short block as we speak, I'll go the 100,000 befor switching over to amsoils warrantee coverage. Thanks, what to use for break in, for how long? PS , what do you think of the wix filters for the detroit- i have lots-

 

The Series 3000 5W-30 Hevy Duty Diesel Oil (HDD) has the exact same change intervals as the 15w-40 Diesel Marine Oil (AME).

"Up to 2 times OR longer with oil analysis OR 6 months."

NOT 3 times as someone suggested here.

The Amsoil Oil Warranty says you must use Amsoil's Oil Lab for the analysis.

The TRIGARD Engine Protection Plan involves 1) Amsoil Oil 2) Amsoil 2-stage air Filter 3) Amsoil By-pass oil Filter 4) Oil Analysis at prescribed intervals through Amsoil's Oil Lab. The plan doesn't say about running an Amsoil filter or another filter on the engine. But, I believe you would have to run the Amsoil Super DUty filter (SDF).

"The Trigard Plan can eliminate the need for changing oil in your personal vehicle* forever. The "*" means available for cars and light turcks in non-commercial applications."

The Manuson-Moss Act "No warrantor of a consumer product may condition his written or implied warranty of such product on the consumer's using, in connection with such product, any article or service (other than article or service provided without charge under the terms of the warranty) which is identified by brand, trade, or corporate name." Basically, vehicle maufacturere's recommend lubricants according to their viscosity grade and service classification. Any oil, whether it's Dino or Synthetic meeting the correct viscosity grade, and the current API SL may be used without affecting the warranty.

The question about using a non-Amsoil Oil filter and non-Amsoil air filter coverage under the TriGard Plan for the warranty. IMHO, I wouldn't want to fight that battle, it's would be bad enough trying to fight Dodge on an engine failure they claim from using Amsoil Oil products...

 

Dixie

Page 287 of the 03 owners manual not only says you can use a 5w-40 but recomends it if the temps are zero or below. And on the other end 5w-40 is good for the same high temps as 15w-40

spud

 

I can only go by my second gen manual. If I am correct the bottom of the engine is the same. It specifies to use 5w30 from -10 to 20 degrees and 10w30 from 0 to 30 degrees. 15w40 (without a block heater) from 10 degrees on up. That is a far cry from using 5w40 as a general oil for all temperatures.

Everyone should use what feels comfortable to them, it is their engine. What is good for Alabama is not necessarily good for Canada. Running around the Southwest in the summertime I would not think of running a thinner oil, or the Southeast for that matter.

 

Negative. I bought the 5,000 dollar option because i DO tow, however verry little. My main use of this tuck is a DD.I drive about 20,000 miles a year. A few times a year i hitch up the 6,000lb TT and take the family on a trip. I HAD a gasser, and it struggled to do the job.

if i keep it for 10 years, it will have 200,000 miles on it.

So tell me , how willl have using amsoil have helped ME? As i said, we all use our trucks differently, what works for you , may not work for the next guy.

 

Alright. Wait a minute. I just saw Spots sig! ...(laughing so hard I got short of breath)....I am with "village idiot" on the trade in. You would struggle to get out of a HD gasser.....JKE

spots =

 

That is only for the Triguard plan, which basically involves getting analysis at a discount plus reminders when to change your filters and do analysis.

As long as the lab that you are using does all of the correct tests you should have no problem extending your drains. That is without using either the By-pass filter or the Air Filter.

As said the recommended interval is 2 times the factory recommended(with dino) or 6 months whichever comes first. Oil drains can be extended further if use oil analysis is taken.

edit: BTW here is a link to the oil change recommendations:
http://www.amsoil.com/lit/g1490.pdf

 

Another misinformed Amsoil Dealer ....I noticed you have said the same bad info on bobtheoilguy.com too.

May I suggest you Call the Amsoil Tech line...and talk to Ed!

As long as the lab that you are using does all of the correct tests you should have no problem extending your drains. That is without using either the By-pass filter or the Air Filter.

Amsoil has no control over Independent Analysis and will not cover your engine failure claim unless the tests are conducted by the Amsoil Oil Lab.

Once you go past 7500 miles, Schedule B for Dodge, you're into an "extended drain interval." Yes, you can have more mileage with oil analyis, but you cannot go past 6 months without the TriGard Plan.

So, if you have an engine failure, You now have Dodge, Amsoil and the Independent Lab all involved? Meanwhile, you're truck is sitting there broke...

As said the recommended interval is 2 times the factory recommended(with dino) or 6 months whichever comes first. Oil drains can be extended further if use oil analysis is taken.

Yes, you can go longer in mileage but not the 6 month window, unless you're on the Triguard plan...

Oh the thread is for the Amsoil 15w-40 Marine Diesel Oil. It's 2 times the factory recommended, 15k for Dodge Turbo Diesel without analysis, longer in mileage with analyis, but you can't go past the 6 month window without being on the Triguard plan .

I can't believe you're suggesting using dino for extended drains, but that's another subject.

 

One real notable qualitative change after I put in my Amzoil, this is my first time using it and I have no financial connection to them at all. I start the truck and it starts notably different, as in the engine is significantly quieter immediately and it stays nice and quiet down the road and up to the highway. It is not given any throttle to speak of for about 1.4 miles and is nicely quiet all the way to the highway now, with the dino I let it warm about 3 minutes or so and it was still noisy all the way up the road and all the way to the highway. I hated the noisy sound of the dino oil.

One negative, I used to get to the highway after 3 minutes of warm-up and it would be right at 140 degrees and lifting off the peg for water temp, it would also be putting out heat as soon as I got to the highway. Now after Amzoil it is notably colder running at first and also doesn't put out any heat (outside air temp 25-30 degrees F) until I get 2 plus miles down the highway. It also does not maintain temperature at near 200 degrees while idling, it will fall off from near 200 down to just about 160 degrees while idling during fuel filling of about 5 minutes. It used to hold temp at least pretty close to 200. It is a cold beast now with the Amzoil.

Monte

 

Email response I received from AMSOIL tech line on Friday...


From: Kellerman, Ed
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 8:29 AM
To: Mail TechService
Subject: RE: Technical Service Contact Form

Tim,

Your summary at the bottom is correct.
Thank you,
Ed

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Morris [mailto:rossn2@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 5:12 PM
To: Mail TechService
Subject: RE: Technical Service Contact Form

Hi,
Thank you for your quick response. I just have one more question regarding your
answer below, " Actually you can go 15,000 miles or 6 months whichever comes
first without oil analysis. Anything beyond that, oil analysis is recommended."

I came home an am looking at the Asmoil Synthetic Mortor Oil Recommended Drain
Interval Product Guide, which is different than the Amsoil Web Site information.
I noticed under SAE 30 Synthetic Diesel Oil (ACD), 15w-40 Synthetic Blend Diesel
Oil (PCD), and the 15w-40 Synthetic Diesel Marine Oil (AME)...the drain interval
is "Up to 2 times OR longer with oil anlysis OR 6 months." Note 2 states
.."means up to 2 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation. Amsoil
service interval recommendations are whichever comes first - months, miles, or
hours. Note 6 states " all drain intervals can be entended (with analysis)
indefinitely by using AMSOIL By-Pass Oil Filtrations and an Amsoil Oil-Wetted
Foam Air Filter. " Which is the TriGard Plan correct?

So my question is if Dodge says I can go 7500 miles, than based on Amsoil
recommendations, I can go up to 15k within 6 months without and oil analysis,
more than 15k within 6 months with an oil analysis, or after 6 months I have to
go to the Amsoil TriGard Program to be covered by the Amsoil Oil Warranty
correct?
Thanks
Tim

PS. Could you please sign your name to your response...thank you..

 

I didn't take the time to read this entire thread simply because it probably would have have been a waste of time, but here's my take on synthetic vs. dino.

Is synthetic better?? Probably so. Is it so much better that I can justify the cost of using it? Probably not.

My plan: Keep running Delvac 1300 with Fleetguard Stratapore filters and change the oil every 7500 miles just like the manual says. If I were a bettin' man I'd bet money that my Cummins will last just as long as all of the ones running synthetic. Doesn't matter much anyway, no matter what kind of oil you use the engine is going to outlast the truck itself by far.

 

I've always used Mopar dino oil and Mopar filters in my 89 CTD and it still has 50 psi oil pressure at idle, hot. Maybe it will only last another 15 years!

 

Ok first of all, regardless of any claims on any bottles, if you go further than cummins' recommendations, you are on your own. When you do this, its necessary to do oil analysis. If you dont understand the results or how to use them etc, it's best you stick to factory recommendations. Amsoils recommendations are totally worthless IMO. They are blanket marketing based recommendations that are specific to the oil, not the vehicle. There's no way one recommendation will be ideal for all vehicles, so do analysis and determine whats best for you.

Secondly, all of you whining about oil cost make me laugh. You probably feel pretty big time driving in your top of the line dodge cummins truck. How would you like to look down out your window to the ricer in the honda next to you who's drooling over your CTD and tell him that you're too CHEAP to use synthetic? The cost difference is peanuts. Sure the engine may last just as long on dino, however I'd rather change the oil half the time. My time is worth more to me than the difference in dino vs synthetic oil, so I choose to use synthetic and have more free time. Some are really penny pinchers out there I guess. To each their own.

Dixie - a 40 weight is a 40 weight. A 5w40 performs identically viscosity wise from 10F up to 100F as a 15w40. Comparing amsoils HDD 1540 and Delvac 1 5w40 they are virtually the same centistoke wise to 10F. Under 10F you start seeing a major thickening of the 15w, and the 5w is much more fluid. Also, I have email from cummins powermaster stating that I could use an approved 5w40 synthetic all year round. They do in fact approve 5w40, like Valvoline premium blue extreme....cummins on the bottle.

 

Wow, more than I can to remember about oil. Its 3-4K on a oil change for me and I've never lost an engine. Trans every 30K, and I've never touched a trans.

 

I guess I'm one of those penny pinchers.....but when you're the sole source of income for your family because you and your wife agree that it's best for her to stay home and raise the baby instead of putting him in day care then you kind of have to be.

With that said, even if cost weren't an issue, I still wouldn't use synthetic (or at least not Amsoil). I change my oil every 7500 miles using dino oil just like the manual says to. If I were using synthetic I'd still change it ever 7500 miles because that's what the manual says to do. So, if I have to change my oil every 7500 miles anyway, why pay twice the money (or more) for synthetic?? Dodge/Cummins doesn't care what Amsoil says about oil changes and THEY are the ones you're going to take the truck to if something goes wrong.

Besides, I kind of like changing the oil. It's fun....and it takes all of 30 minutes to do.