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Old Aug 26, 2007 | 10:27 PM
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Still chasing A/C issue

So I'm still trying to track down an issue with my A/C. The problem is that at idle, it'll blow cold. Once the RPM comes up, the temperature gets warmer. Almost seems that the higher the RPM goes, the warmer the temp gets. If you fire it up and let it sit and idle, it'll blow air that's more than cold enough. But once you start driving, you can feel it warm up. While running down the road, it stay warm till you slow down or stop again. You can actually hit the clutch and coast and feel the temperature drop.

After this problem had started, my A/C compressor went out and was replaced. Once it was replaced the A/C temps are lower than before, but the problem still exists (just more bearable now).

So what part of the A/C system would be linked to engine speed? I've though vacuum, but the blend door is electrically actuated.
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 07:50 PM
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Just a stab in the dark here--you might have a vent/blend door stuck open that is letting outside air in-
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 08:50 PM
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Do you have any pressure readings? Without that it is hard to tell if it an inside door problem or an a/c problem.
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 09:10 PM
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I only have a low side gauge, but I haven't put it on there since the new compressor went on. My concern with putting the gauges on is that everything works great at idle. The problem starts when you start driving. Can you run with gauges on the A/C system while moving?
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by AggieJustin
The problem starts when you start driving.
Stop driving.


Sorry Justin, no real help (as usual), I can bring the A/C section from the FSM to Sedalia next weekend if you need me to.
~Rob
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 09:16 PM
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Originally Posted by hotdram
Stop driving.


Sorry Justin, no real help (as usual), I can bring the A/C section from the FSM to Sedalia next weekend if you need me to.
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Or, you can just hang on the passenger front fender and watch the gauges while I drive. The problem is worst around 80mph, so you'll need to hold on tight.

I've got the FSM and been reading on the A/C performance, but I'm short on some of the specialty tools needed to run the diagnostics (vacuum meter, low/high side gauges). I need to track down one of the little vent thermometers so I can measure my vent output and get some hard temperature numbers.
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by AggieJustin
Or, you can just hang on the passenger front fender and watch the gauges while I drive. The problem is worst around 80mph, so you'll need to hold on tight.
I'll bring my helmet and big roll of duct tape

~Rob
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 09:20 PM
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more than likley the blend door is stuck open.
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 09:23 PM
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Will it do the same results if you keep the rpm's up to the same as 80mph sitting still? That's what I would try and have the guage hooked up as well. Low side guage is better than nothing.
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by vzdude
Will it do the same results if you keep the rpm's up to the same as 80mph sitting still?
I like that option much better

(I'll still bring my helmet, just in case. Do you think Mike might have the high/low side gauges etc?)
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Old Aug 27, 2007 | 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by yfz450guy
more than likley the blend door is stuck open.
The blend door doesn't seem stuck, since I can adjust the temperature up and down with the **** and things are blowing cold at idle. I was thinking that maybe it was blocked partially and wouldn't close to full cold, but I'd expect idle temps to be higher when the engine is warm as well.

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Will it do the same results if you keep the rpm's up to the same as 80mph sitting still? That's what I would try and have the guage hooked up as well. Low side guage is better than nothing.
I was kidding Rob about the 80mph thing...it actually gets noticeable at 1500rpm and higher, since it will be warmer just running down city streets.

As soon as I get a thermometer so I can actually quantify "warmer", I'll try just running the engine speed up while stopped to see if it happens.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 12:05 AM
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how about a psi switch gone bad. or, overfilled freon. low rpm can keep psi low enough to keep compressor engaged. but at a higher rpm the psi will rise and kick on and off the compressor resulting in less compressor run time
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by biododge1
how about a psi switch gone bad. or, overfilled freon. low rpm can keep psi low enough to keep compressor engaged. but at a higher rpm the psi will rise and kick on and off the compressor resulting in less compressor run time
Good idea, didn't really think about the switches being out of spec enough to work fine sometimes but not at others. I'll have to check them out. I'll add it to my list of things to do on Thursday when I get home.
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Old Aug 28, 2007 | 11:32 PM
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The compressor is linked to engine speed. the faster the engine turns the compressor the more suction it will pull. If it is low on freon it will pull it down too low so it kicks out on low pressure. If it is over charged it will cause high pressure /low cooling.

Another thing to check is the condenser, is it dirty? dirty condenser will also cause high pressure/low cooling problems.

Check the low side pressure with the engine idled up at crusing rpms if nothing else. That will show you if it is kicking out on the low pressure switch.

Look at the pressure reading and see what the temp reading is for the evaporator. if it is below freezing it will cause it to ice up on the outside of the evap.

When they replaced your compressor did they pull a vaccumn and get all the air out? if it has air in the system it will cause poor cooling also. Also if it had moisture in the system it will cause it to ice up inside the evap coil.
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