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What's that thing underneath the VE pump?

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Old Jul 23, 2012 | 05:28 PM
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What's that thing underneath the VE pump?

It has a wire attached to a plunger solenoid. I mistook it for the fuel shutoff solenoid and clipped off the plunger trying to get my truck back on the road while stranded in the heat of the day.
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Old Jul 23, 2012 | 05:32 PM
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If you mean on the side near the bottom of the pump, it's the KSB. Nothing but a cold-start timing advance is all it is.

However, in your words, it's underneath the pump. Do you have pictures to reference what you're talking about?
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Old Jul 23, 2012 | 05:58 PM
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That's it, and since I've destroyed the solenoid, I assume it's going to dump extra fuel through my VE?
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If you mean on the side near the bottom of the pump, it's the KSB. Nothing but a cold-start timing advance is all it is. Or is it going to advance the timing of my VE? Or retard it? It DOES have fuel in it!

However, in your words, it's underneath the pump. Do you have pictures to reference what you're talking about?
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Old Jul 23, 2012 | 06:17 PM
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No. All the KSB does is advance the timing of the injection pump during a cold-start situation. I'm talking COLD. I forget exactly what temperature it actuates.

As long as no fuel is leaking, drive it.
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Old Jul 23, 2012 | 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo486
No. All the KSB does is advance the timing of the injection pump during a cold-start situation. I'm talking COLD. I forget exactly what temperature it actuates.

As long as no fuel is leaking, drive it.
I guess I accidentally permanently advanced my at-idle pump timing!
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Old Jul 23, 2012 | 06:37 PM
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"A KSB solenoid has two stages for different temperature conditions. Stage one engages when the vehicle is being started at temperatures between 44.6 and 68 degrees Fahrenheit, while stage two engages at temperatures below 44.6 degrees Fahrenheit. The solenoid disengages at temperatures above 68 degrees Fahrenheit, returning control of the fuel pump to the pressure regulator."
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Old Jul 23, 2012 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BILTIT
"A KSB solenoid has two stages for different temperature conditions. Stage one engages when the vehicle is being started at temperatures between 44.6 and 68 degrees Fahrenheit, while stage two engages at temperatures below 44.6 degrees Fahrenheit. The solenoid disengages at temperatures above 68 degrees Fahrenheit, returning control of the fuel pump to the pressure regulator."
Mine has one stage - fully engaged. I cut the plunger off! I'm looking for used IC KSB solenoid.
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Old Jul 23, 2012 | 06:50 PM
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A 93 advances time when 12v is applied. It is controlled by a temperature switch in the intake plate behind the grid heaters. By cutting the wire you did nothing at normal temps.
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Old Jul 23, 2012 | 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dodgenstein
A 93 advances time when 12v is applied. It is controlled by a temperature switch in the intake plate behind the grid heaters. By cutting the wire you did nothing at normal temps.
I didn't cut the wire. I cut the plunger off the solenoid!
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 07:20 AM
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Pulled the FSS and removed plunger (no spring found), and put the FSS back in. Started up and pulled the lever to shut down. Picking up choke cable this morning at O-Reilly's (no NAPA in town!). Still don't know what, if any, effect clipping off the cold start solenoid plunger is going to have!
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 08:15 AM
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Clipping the wire in effect removed your cold start timing advance, thats all. No change to normal operation.
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by BILTIT
Clipping the wire in effect removed your cold start timing advance, thats all. No change to normal operation.
As I said before, I clipped the PLUNGER, not the wire.
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 09:53 AM
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Wooops, my mistake. I would guess you would have full time advance then.
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 12:15 PM
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Dont use a choke cable, they are too cheap and will break. Use a PTO control cable, Dorman PN 55197. Works great and is very stout. Any auto parts store that has Dorman Products can get this.
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Old Jul 26, 2012 | 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Ikes91
Dont use a choke cable, they are too cheap and will break. Use a PTO control cable, Dorman PN 55197. Works great and is very stout. Any auto parts store that has Dorman Products can get this.
Thanks!
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