olgrey93

Just wanted to see what everybody thought. Do y'all think it's a first gen if it's p pumped? I say no bc a first gen is ve rotary pump

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deanhinsley1963

I always thought 1stgen referred to the body style not the engine. In my opinion ppump no harm no foul. I dont run one but I dont need one. Mine will be and is a daily driver and 300 hp tops. But if I was shooting for anything over 350 hp I would do it in a minute.

Erska

It is a first gen for sure with a P pump. Come on, it's just an injection pump!

Is third gen a third gen if it's P pumped?

First gen is the body and the truck!

dieselJon

I agree wholeheartedly.

dzl_damon

half the guys on here have hx35 turbo chargers... plenty have swapped in 47rh auto and NV4500 5 speed transmissions as well, along with D80 rear ends... same thing

patdaly

I guess then when I swap a VE 6bt into a third gen, it would become a first?

fast59

My first gen has a p-pump and 47rh with 48 re internals and iI consider it to be a first gen.

peobryant

Personally, to me a 1st Gen is a 1989-1993 Dodge Ram equipped with a Cummins Turbo Diesel with a VE injection pump. I don't care if it has a compound turbo set up, an NV4500, a Dana 80 or whatever else, as long as it meets the criteria in my first sentence it's a 1st Gen. Otherwise it's not. All my personal opinion of course.

RonA

Yep. But i think hp bragging rights should be kept separate between p-pumps and VE's.

DodgeFreak

i also agree that pumps\ anything else doesn't make it not a first gen other wise if pumps determined what gen it is then ves would be 1st gens ppumps 2nd vps 3rd common rails 4th.

92betsy

That's my view on it to. Even with your 24v p-pump I still think of your truck as a first gen, a really cool one.

9812vram

The way I see it, the first gen is split in two areas: 1st and 2nd Gen Truck and 1st and 2nd Gen Engine. To me a '92 with a p-pump would be a 1st Gen Truck with a 2nd Gen Engine.... Oh, and the VP44 24v is in it's own category, but I won't get into that.... lol!

mhuppertz

I think the 1st Gen is a VE engine and the 1st gen body type. Anything other than that should have an asterisk, IMHO

PapeCAT

I consider 1st gen 1972-1993. They obviously had many gas engines during this time as well as the Mitsubishi diesel in 77.

The guys who dyno a lot discredit or don't compare their HP numbers to a first gen whom is P pumped. So that's where the discrepancy and saying came from is my guess.