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trying to make a good 400-500hp DD

Old May 23, 2010 | 03:04 AM
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trying to make a good 400-500hp DD

Well know that i have settled in to my summer home (Iraq) i have had some time to set up a parts list for the truck when i get home. I am trying to make a good 400-500hp daily driver like the title says. Being a gear head in the army all i work on is diesel trucks(or JP8) so it think i got a good setup going but any ideas would be great

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1. Cobra Twin Turbo Kit stage1 or 2
2. Lucas POD injectors
3. KDP Kit
4. 3200 RPM VE Governor Spring
5. 12v Fluid Dampener w/tach sensor bracket
6. ARP Head Stud Kit 12V
7. 13-1.25 FE KIT, 89-02, 5spd up to 550hp
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1. Fire Ring 5.9 Head 12V
(need to call on this one to see what is included)
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1. 6” stack setup with Aussie stacks
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1. AFE intake horn
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1. Stage 2 fuel pin
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1. Air Dog 2 165gph fuel system
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1. Fuel pressure gauge(0-30 psi)
2. Trans Temp gauge (100*-250*)
3. Tachometer ISSPRO (0-3000rpm)
4. Triple Dash Mounted gauge pod



What do ya'll think any input would be great, now to get the wifes ok on the hole thing
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Old May 23, 2010 | 03:18 AM
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Looks good Wettstein! However, I think you're going to need much bigger injectors than POD's to make the sort of HP you're looking for. I'm thinking DDP Stg 3's/Scheid 6 x 0.016 etc. I would also be looking in to a new exhaust manifold, unless it comes with the twins kit.
One glaring omission I noticed was a pyro! I read your sig. and you don't mention one. I don't know if you have one or not, but that should be the very first thing you buy, (even though I don't have one yet... )
Hope your tour goes well. Heck only knows why we're still over there, but that's for another forum. Bend those wrenches, Soldier!
Oh, and good luck with the wife...
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Old May 23, 2010 | 03:34 AM
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thanks for the input, i will look in to some bigger injectors. Yea i need to update my sig. I got a pyro and boost on the A piller. Its awsome being a cummins man in the army, when there is anything wrong with the 6k of 10k fork lifts they send me to fix them( they are both powered by 5.9s if only could get some parts off those)
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Old May 23, 2010 | 03:40 AM
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Ooh, donor engines! Got any friends in supply?
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Old May 23, 2010 | 06:22 AM
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wish it worked like that. And all those engines are p-pumped second gen setup
yes the twin setup come with the tree peice manafold, and thanks for the help on the injectors. the ddp stage 3s look like the way to go
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Old May 23, 2010 | 08:39 AM
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Yes Sir, you're welcome! Thanks for doing what you do over there. May not be on the front line, but it all helps.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 08:51 AM
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Get either a FASS or some sort of aftermarket lift pump
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Old May 23, 2010 | 09:19 AM
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for easy 400-500 hp reliably, get one of those p pumps off the fork trucks.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by dzl_damon
for easy 400-500 hp reliably, get one of those p pumps off the fork trucks.
I would but i want to keep it first gen
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Old May 23, 2010 | 11:30 AM
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POD's will make 400+ hp. The jump from 400-500 with these pumps is pretty big... Build yourself that combo with the pods, see how you like it, then if you want more power, and think you can tune the smoke out of it, try some bigger injectors.
It will be hard to tune the bottom end smoke out with that fuel pin as well.
And dont fire ring the head, thats not what I would consider a street setup. O-ring instead.
And maybe think of a 4000 rpm tach.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 12:16 PM
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what is the differance between o-ring and fire-ring? and i have looked all over the web for a tach is in the 2" range, the 3000 by isspro is the only one i could find.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 12:30 PM
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I think with twins and some DDP's or 6-16's you can make 450-500 but i think it will take W/M to make it dependable. Keep your head down and be careful

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Old May 23, 2010 | 12:35 PM
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I would just leave out DDP injectors and just get Some custom 6x16's.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 02:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Wettstein
I am trying to make a good 400-500hp daily driver like the title says. Being a gear head in the army all i work on is diesel trucks(or JP8) so it think i got a good setup going but any ideas would be great

PDRDIESEL.COM
1. Cobra Twin Turbo Kit stage1 or 2 Go with the stage 4 (S300 based 62/14), it'll keep things much cooler with less back pressure.
2. Lucas POD injectors Way too small IMO. Go with some custom 6x.016" EDMs
3. KDP Kit A piece of coat-hanger wire works just fine.
4. 3200 RPM VE Governor Spring Shorten it by two loops and stretch back to its original length
5. 12v Fluid Dampener w/tach sensor bracket
6. ARP Head Stud Kit 12V Don't dismiss that from A1
7. 13-1.25 FE KIT, 89-02, 5spd up to 550hp
ATSDIESEL.COM
1. Fire Ring 5.9 Head 12V
(need to call on this one to see what is included) They are not recommended for a DD as they need routine mantainence. Go with O-rings.
BLACKCLOUDDIESEL.COM
1. 6” stack setup with Aussie stacks
AFEPOWER.COM
1. AFE intake horn Look into the duel ram intake from DennyT ( this short of cutting off the OEM intake log and running an aftermarket unit. With that, you can port the crap out of the intake side of the head )
DENNYTPREFORMANCE.COM
1. Stage 2 fuel pin Look forward to a sweet grind from Alwaysworking
DIESELMANOR.COM
1. Air Dog 2 165gph fuel system A regulated Walbro 392 will maintain over 15psig @ WOT with 6x.016"s and 3/8"ID plumbing.
GENOSGARAGE.COM
1. Fuel pressure gauge(0-30 psi)
2. Trans Temp gauge (100*-250*)
3. Tachometer ISSPRO (0-3000rpm)
4. Triple Dash Mounted gauge pod
You'll do well with significant injection event timing advance (way past 2.0mm lift @ TDC).

Going with the stage-4 turbo setup will keep the EGTs below 1400* (with a decent after-cooler and cold-air intake) at WOT for the most part based on my experience. I've run the stage-1 kit and it was hot with DDP4s (@ WOT).

Be sure to go with some Cummins 60# valve springs or better.
-> An aftermarket cam will go a long way toward ensuring your goals and keeping it cool. With a stock cam, you'll see around 65+ psig boost. With an aftermarket, the boost will drop about 10psig, or so I've seen.

Don't overlook some basic head porting (around the valve pockets at least).

With that and good tuning, you should see around 450 ~ 500 on a dyno running a manual transmission. I'm right at 450 with a similar build and a non lock-up automatic.

Be sure to tighten-up your drivetrain.

Hope this helps and Thanks for what you do.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dieselJon
Get either a FASS or some sort of aftermarket lift pump
He lists an Airdog 2. Is that the same kind of thing?
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