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Old Dec 19, 2015 | 02:31 PM
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Reverse rotation vs crossover

I couldn't find any real comparison between the 2 so I'd like everyone's opinion

I know reverse rotation is the way to go with a stock height truck, but what about when someone has 2 - 4" of lift?

Is your steering affected when articulating with a reverse rotation set up? Or is reverse rotation good as long as the drag link is close to parallel with the ground when the truck is sitting level?
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Old Dec 19, 2015 | 03:56 PM
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I could have sworn you asked me This in a pm, but maybe that was someone else

No I'll effect with a 3 inch lift. No effect at all, other than good steering feel. Better once I had the toe adjusted with a computerized alignment machine.

By far the best upgrade I ever did on the truck
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Old Dec 19, 2015 | 04:11 PM
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Haha no that must have been someone else. :P

That's good to know with 3" lift it hasn't effected you. Have you ever had the suspension articulated and tried steering?

I like the RR steering better since it doesn't put any stress on the frame but I'd be worried about having poor steering if it was fully articulated off road (that would happen very rarely though since I don't take it off the road often)
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Old Dec 19, 2015 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by dan123dbl
Haha no that must have been someone else. :P

That's good to know with 3" lift it hasn't effected you. Have you ever had the suspension articulated and tried steering?

I like the RR steering better since it doesn't put any stress on the frame but I'd be worried about having poor steering if it was fully articulated off road (that would happen very rarely though since I don't take it off the road often)
Not been off road to the extreme you suggest. Been super happy otherwise
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Old Dec 19, 2015 | 10:33 PM
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I used a reverse rotation on this truck with Dana 60 Front end. (stock steering box setup for the 1974 Ramcharger)




That was about as flexed as it would allow with the shocks, and I was able to steer just fine.

Here is a video of the same ramcharger after I sold it in action on the rubicon trail taking the harder of two routes, you make the call. It worked great, as good as you would ever need on a leaf sprung full size 4x4.

If you have a super tall lift, they make a knuckle "spacer" that will lift the steering arm to compensate the offset from the lift so the drag link is still parallel to the ground at ride height. I tried it with the ramcharger but ended up going back to stock due to more bump steer with the spacer block and stock lift.

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Old Dec 20, 2015 | 07:11 AM
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17 years ago I build a '72 Power Wagon ,which I still have, into a woods / trail / mud rig using a Skyjacker 6 inch lift that I modified to closer to 7 inches.
I wheeled it HARD for years on 38.5X15.5 TSL Super Swampers with the RR box and the 3 inch spacer, PapeCat mentioned.
The RR box worked great.
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Old Dec 20, 2015 | 11:52 AM
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Thanks guys, just what I was looking for. I don't think I'll ever have more than 4" of lift so I'll see if I can get a RR box together.
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 12:51 AM
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Drive a Truck with crossover you will feel the difference .RR is Nice also but you have to watch deep wheel's .
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 08:42 AM
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Drive a Truck with crossover you will feel the difference .RR is Nice also but you have to watch deep wheel's .
Do you think crossover handles better than RR? Have you compared the two?
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 10:10 AM
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I think RR is easier on the frame. IMO the frame needs beefing for crossover.
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 12:11 PM
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Well Without going into a lot .I will say I would go cross Over before anything else .My Truck is Lifted with big tires and I went from stock steering to Cross over and have run it on Several Truck's .And will Never build a truck without it . Yes RR is Nice but it stick's out Farther then cross over does .As for Bracing Not sure .The More you Brace it's just going to Break down Farther .I would say Drive both if you can and feel the difference for your self . Both are Nice I guess I am just the Type that Likes Simple .If you Break don on the road with a Bad RR Box where are you going to find 1 ? with Cross Over you can walk in and walk out the same day.
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 12:42 PM
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If you Break don on the road with a Bad RR Box where are you going to find 1 ? with Cross Over you can walk in and walk out the same day.[/QUOTE]

I would grab one of the 3 spare RR boxes I have saved over the years from under my work bench…

I like OEM parts that have gone through lots of testing over, aftermarket custom parts that might not even be DOT approved for the road myself.
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Old Dec 22, 2015 | 09:21 PM
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They are DOT approved not a Problem what so ever . and Yeah if you have spares and your 500 miles from home that won't do you any good . I guess you could Carry 2 ton's of What If's with you so you don't have to worry thou .
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 11:49 AM
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RR is a factory setup with drag link and box available over the counter, not sure where the confusion is. A custom crossover setup with one-off drag link, rod ends, and pitman arm not so much.
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Old Dec 23, 2015 | 01:26 PM
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All Part's that are used on the Cross over are Factory part's also . except the arm that bolt's to axle so Either way you would be good to go either direction . The End's used on Cross over are all factory stuff that's why it's easy to replace stuff .
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