POWER SERVICE ANTI - GEL in a 1st Gen.???
POWER SERVICE ANTI - GEL in a 1st Gen.???
I have been using white-jug Power Service in all my diesel equipment for years.
I don't remember where I came up with the ration that I have been using for many years, but I have always pre-measured 12-ounces Power Service for each twenty-gallons of diesel.
Last winter, a 96-ounce jug cost around $13 at Walmart, usually a couple dollars cheaper at TSC, but TSC is not as handy, nor close.
This winter, the jugs have been down-sized to 80-ounces and the price has increased to around $16; a pint less stuff for three more dollars.
According to the instructions on the jug, one-ounce will treat three-gallons of fuel, 20-oz/60-G, 40-oz/125-G, 80-oz/250-Gallon.
It says for maximum CETANE increases to double the dose; it makes no mention if doubling the dose increases resistance to gelling.
According to the recommended dosage, my 12-ounces could be treating 36-gallon, instead of the 20-gallon.
I could cut back to 7-ounces/20-gallon and, according to the recommendations, should not have any problems with fuel gelling; and, mixing at that reduced rate will almost cut my expenses in half.
My questions are for you guys that also use Power Service.
How many ounces of Power Service do you add for each twenty-gallons of fuel ??
What state/province do you live in ??
Do you think that the recommended dosage is sufficient to keep fuel from gelling ??
Thanks.
I don't remember where I came up with the ration that I have been using for many years, but I have always pre-measured 12-ounces Power Service for each twenty-gallons of diesel.
Last winter, a 96-ounce jug cost around $13 at Walmart, usually a couple dollars cheaper at TSC, but TSC is not as handy, nor close.
This winter, the jugs have been down-sized to 80-ounces and the price has increased to around $16; a pint less stuff for three more dollars.
According to the instructions on the jug, one-ounce will treat three-gallons of fuel, 20-oz/60-G, 40-oz/125-G, 80-oz/250-Gallon.
It says for maximum CETANE increases to double the dose; it makes no mention if doubling the dose increases resistance to gelling.
According to the recommended dosage, my 12-ounces could be treating 36-gallon, instead of the 20-gallon.
I could cut back to 7-ounces/20-gallon and, according to the recommendations, should not have any problems with fuel gelling; and, mixing at that reduced rate will almost cut my expenses in half.
My questions are for you guys that also use Power Service.
How many ounces of Power Service do you add for each twenty-gallons of fuel ??
What state/province do you live in ??
Do you think that the recommended dosage is sufficient to keep fuel from gelling ??
Thanks.
I add 16 ounces, of either the white or gray bottle, to each tank of my 3 diesel vehicles. The tank sizes are 25, 35, and 44.
I noticed the same thing about a month ago with the power service, cut the size and increased the price. Annoyed me not only because the price increased, but because usually I will distribute the larger jug into 6 of the smaller 16 ounce bottles and now it only works for 5. Leaves me having to do more work now.
I noticed the same thing about a month ago with the power service, cut the size and increased the price. Annoyed me not only because the price increased, but because usually I will distribute the larger jug into 6 of the smaller 16 ounce bottles and now it only works for 5. Leaves me having to do more work now.
Are you Gellin
I'm with Dave.............I dump in "enough" and don't much worry about what it costs. The instruction says adding too much will not hurt anything , so I dump it in using the "more is better theory". Better than having to deal with a "gelled" fuel system.
I might might measure the universal 2 stroke oil that I just started as a lubricant!!!!!!
I might might measure the universal 2 stroke oil that I just started as a lubricant!!!!!!
I do 1 ounce of the grey PS and 1 ounce of the Wal-Mart 2 stroke oil per gallon now.
I dont know if it's gelled up yet.
I'm working in North Dakota right now and we definitely are having problems with equipment gelling up. They got filled with #2 diesel and no additive
I dont know if it's gelled up yet.
I'm working in North Dakota right now and we definitely are having problems with equipment gelling up. They got filled with #2 diesel and no additive
I treat year around. Every tank, every time. I don't care what the temp outside is. Part of it is the fact that I go all over so while its sunny and 50 in OKC it may be cold and wintry in Wisconsin or Upper Michigan. The other part is that I think PS is good for the system in terms of lubrication.
I bought a bunch of small 16 oz bottles once after they were empty, I bought a 55 gal drum of the stuff from a distributor in Texas. Then I refill the smaller bottles from the drum. I put one full bottle in with every full tank. Saves the environment on plastic and I get a cheaper per ounce price.
It should be noted that the 55 gallon drum is different from what you all are buying at Wally World. The stuff in the drum is a concentrate. The stuff I am getting is recommended to be used as 1 part PS for every 1,500 parts ULSD, the stuff at Wally World is something like 1 part PS for every 400 ULSD if memory serves me correctly.
I bought a bunch of small 16 oz bottles once after they were empty, I bought a 55 gal drum of the stuff from a distributor in Texas. Then I refill the smaller bottles from the drum. I put one full bottle in with every full tank. Saves the environment on plastic and I get a cheaper per ounce price.
It should be noted that the 55 gallon drum is different from what you all are buying at Wally World. The stuff in the drum is a concentrate. The stuff I am getting is recommended to be used as 1 part PS for every 1,500 parts ULSD, the stuff at Wally World is something like 1 part PS for every 400 ULSD if memory serves me correctly.
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Before the local mom-and-pop fuel bulk-plant got gobbled up by the regional oil monoply that now has control of every drop of fuel/gas for miles around, they actually bought PowerService in bulk and pre-treated both farm- and road-fuel at the plant, starting in mid-October and continuing until mid-March.
So long as you bought fuel that originated from them, you didn't have to worry about having to add anything.
Approximately how much does a 55-gallon drum of concentrated PowerService cost ??
KRB is close; maybe he and I should split a drum.
One observation I will add :
Whenever most of these rednecks around here have their fuel gel up, even though they had never put any kind of treatment in the fuel, instead of admit that they were so silly, they will swear that they had plenty of "that stuff" in it;
no way would they be dumb enough to go without it.
When asked what brand of anti-gel, they will either come off with the first brand that pops in their head, or otherwise say "whatever so-and-so uses".
Although they are lying through their teeth, such episodes give various brands of anti-gel a bad name.
So long as you bought fuel that originated from them, you didn't have to worry about having to add anything.
Approximately how much does a 55-gallon drum of concentrated PowerService cost ??
KRB is close; maybe he and I should split a drum.

One observation I will add :
Whenever most of these rednecks around here have their fuel gel up, even though they had never put any kind of treatment in the fuel, instead of admit that they were so silly, they will swear that they had plenty of "that stuff" in it;
no way would they be dumb enough to go without it.When asked what brand of anti-gel, they will either come off with the first brand that pops in their head, or otherwise say "whatever so-and-so uses".
Although they are lying through their teeth, such episodes give various brands of anti-gel a bad name.
We actually had a guy come into work with a #2 fuel fired portable heater and wanted it tested in the cold condition. After they found out straight run summer #2 with no treatment does not move at -50*F. And I did tell them so. After that he added white bottle power service at the maximum recomended level according to bottle, I think it was 4oz in 4 gallons. At -40*F the heater did suck fuel through the filter, yes the filter was on the suction side of the pump and it did light.
No 16oz. I pour from the big jug into the 32oz. (but I could pour from a drum too
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Now that I actually think about it
, I'm using 16oz of 2 cycle per tank.
I use a lower recommendation of white PS. I have a 32oz bottle graduated into 5ths or 6ths and thats how much I pour in everytime I fill up... I think. I'll have to walk out to the truck and look for sure...
I'm only about 50 miles further north than Bearkiller and have never had fuel gell yet (knock on wood).
I treat the farm tank (300gal) with a big jug of PS. Having said that, I plug in the tractors 99% of the time for a few hours when it's below freezing. Same of the truck - not because it won't start but so the inards will be warmed
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)Now that I actually think about it
, I'm using 16oz of 2 cycle per tank.I use a lower recommendation of white PS. I have a 32oz bottle graduated into 5ths or 6ths and thats how much I pour in everytime I fill up... I think. I'll have to walk out to the truck and look for sure...
I'm only about 50 miles further north than Bearkiller and have never had fuel gell yet (knock on wood).
I treat the farm tank (300gal) with a big jug of PS. Having said that, I plug in the tractors 99% of the time for a few hours when it's below freezing. Same of the truck - not because it won't start but so the inards will be warmed
.
I saved up a bunch of those long-neck red plastic bottles that MarvelMysteryOil comes in and pre-measure my additives into those; they are perfect for pouring into the bed-side filler-necks like on a couple of our trucks that haven't been flat-bedded yet.
I am rather scientific about it; I even have a measuring-cup marked in ounces.
I am rather scientific about it; I even have a measuring-cup marked in ounces.
My truck gelled last winter @ -17 F with Power Service 1 mile from work in the worst intersection possible.
Tractor Supply has the lowest price in my area at around $12.95 for the bigger bottle / whatever number of oz that is now.
Gotta go clean the snow off & go to work...
Tractor Supply has the lowest price in my area at around $12.95 for the bigger bottle / whatever number of oz that is now.
Gotta go clean the snow off & go to work...








I dump "enough" in every time I fill up when the temps are in the 30's or on their way there.