Not a Cummins
Imho............
I thought 1st Gen (aka 1st Generation) meant the first series of Dodge Trucks that had Cummins Engines in them. If a Dodge Truck of the same time frame had a gasser it was NOT a "1st Gen gasser" it was just a Dodge Truck, NOT a 1st Gen anything.........the whole reason for "Generations" is the evolution of the Cummins engines in Dodge Trucks.
I'm not trying to make a big thing out of this but I'm just wondering if my opinions are correct.
Or am I wrong?
Billy

I'm not trying to make a big thing out of this but I'm just wondering if my opinions are correct.
Or am I wrong?
Billy
I thought 1st Gen (aka 1st Generation) meant the first series of Dodge Trucks that had Cummins Engines in them. If a Dodge Truck of the same time frame had a gasser it was NOT a "1st Gen gasser" it was just a Dodge Truck, NOT a 1st Gen anything.........the whole reason for "Generations" is the evolution of the Cummins engines in Dodge Trucks.
I'm not trying to make a big thing out of this but I'm just wondering if my opinions are correct.
Or am I wrong?
Billy

I'm not trying to make a big thing out of this but I'm just wondering if my opinions are correct.
Or am I wrong?
Billy
Bill
The Dodge Ram (currently marketed as a separate brand from Dodge in the United States and Canada) is a full-size pickup truck manufactured by the Chrysler Group LLC. As of late 2010, it has been sold under the Ram Trucks brand. Previously, Ram was part of the Dodge lineup of light trucks. The name Ram was first used in 1981 on the redesigned Ram and Power Ram following the retiring and rebadging of the Dodge D Series pickup trucks. The truck is named for the Ram hood ornament that first adorned Dodge cars in the 1930s. The Ram Truck is in its fourth generation as of the 2009 model year.
Dodge Ram trucks have been named Motor Trend magazine's Truck of the Year three times; the second-generation Ram won the award in 1994, the third-generation Ram Heavy Duty won the award in 2003, and the fourth-generation Dodge Ram Heavy Duty won in 2010. The Ram is currently built at the Saltillo Truck Assembly in Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico and at the Warren Truck Assembly in Warren, Michigan,
Dodge Ram trucks have been named Motor Trend magazine's Truck of the Year three times; the second-generation Ram won the award in 1994, the third-generation Ram Heavy Duty won the award in 2003, and the fourth-generation Dodge Ram Heavy Duty won in 2010. The Ram is currently built at the Saltillo Truck Assembly in Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico and at the Warren Truck Assembly in Warren, Michigan,
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Power Stroke comes to mind.
Actually, the branding of "Ram", in connection with a pick-up model, was initiated in 1979.
There were earlier mentions in connection with the engines in the late 50's, aka "Red Ram", but it wasn't a specific pick-up model designation.
Mark.
There were earlier mentions in connection with the engines in the late 50's, aka "Red Ram", but it wasn't a specific pick-up model designation.
Mark.
missing the point........
Maybe I'm beating a dead horse here, BUT, I think most are missing my point....
Most of the stuff some have mentioned had nothing to do with the origination of the term/s "1st Gen." et.al........
Example: "RAM" had nothing to do with it.......
Body Style had nothing to do with it...........
Marketing under some name had nothing to do with it.
Although some of these things did change with "Generations"....
It was all about the CUMMINS....
First Gens were the 12V VE pump motor (1989-1993)
Second Gens were the 12V P-pump motors (1994-1998)
Third Gens are 24V motors (1998.5-to 2000 something..)
Fourth Gens were the 24V with Commonrail Injection
I lost track after I bought my 2006. But it was the last year for the 5.9.
NOW.........Folks talk about 1st Gen being 1989-1993
2nd Gen being 1994-2002
3rd Gen is 2003-2009
4th Gen is 2010 and up.....
What is that????????????
Does anyone else remember this the way I do?
Billy
Most of the stuff some have mentioned had nothing to do with the origination of the term/s "1st Gen." et.al........
Example: "RAM" had nothing to do with it.......
Body Style had nothing to do with it...........
Marketing under some name had nothing to do with it.
Although some of these things did change with "Generations"....
It was all about the CUMMINS....
First Gens were the 12V VE pump motor (1989-1993)
Second Gens were the 12V P-pump motors (1994-1998)
Third Gens are 24V motors (1998.5-to 2000 something..)
Fourth Gens were the 24V with Commonrail Injection
I lost track after I bought my 2006. But it was the last year for the 5.9.
NOW.........Folks talk about 1st Gen being 1989-1993
2nd Gen being 1994-2002
3rd Gen is 2003-2009
4th Gen is 2010 and up.....
What is that????????????
Does anyone else remember this the way I do?

Billy
Common terminologies are:
1989-1991 is 1st gen Non-intercooled.
Mid-year 1991 (aka, '91-1/2) through 1993 is 1st gen Intercooled.
1994-1998 is 2nd gen 12 valve (Mechanical Inline Pump or "P-7100")
Mid-year 1998 (aka, 98-1/2) is 2nd gen 24 valve (Rotary Electro-Mechanical aka, "VP" Injection)
3rd gen Common Rail 24 Valve.
Then there is 4th gen....This is considered gray area, because the front end was heavily re-styled in '06, yet the next generation of engine (The 6.7) didn't appear until mid-year 2007, but it is commonly thought that the 4th gen started with the 6.7.
IMO the 4th Generation started with the body re-style in '06.
I won't even go into the variables between the 3rd gen ('03-'06) engines, there's at least 3.
Mark.
Chrysler deems the generation licensing like every other manufacturer, by body design. 1st Generation actually starts somewhere in the early 80s. The 2nd Gen started in 1994, 3rd in 2003, 4th in 2010. The bodies were given upgrades so some of the newer EPA, NHTSA (???), government regulations. The engines changed to meet newer EPA requirements and and it was right around the time they needed to refresh.
One thing that comes to mind, 90 and 91. They changed the front end to facilitate an intercooler for emission reasons.
Look at the Honda, VW, BMW, Toyota forums. The body design, regardless of engine changes, coincide with body designs. Then the manufacturer designates the differences. E series with BMW, Mark series with VW, Generation with Ram and Toyota.
Not the engine.
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One thing that comes to mind, 90 and 91. They changed the front end to facilitate an intercooler for emission reasons.
Look at the Honda, VW, BMW, Toyota forums. The body design, regardless of engine changes, coincide with body designs. Then the manufacturer designates the differences. E series with BMW, Mark series with VW, Generation with Ram and Toyota.
Not the engine.
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