How much I hate wiring
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Aside from a '68 Fury and a few of the newer Hemi trucks, all of the Chrysler products I've been into are '72 to '93 trucks. There have been a lot and every one I've ever worked with had a mixture of vinyl, non-adhesive wrap, electrical tape, sticky cloth tape and that plastic finger-trap-looking wire loom.
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While I do not have the actual stone tablet, I do have the specification numbers for the 3 major manufactures for the correct wrapping tape.
GM Specification M4515
Chrysler Specification MSDC 13A
Ford Specification ESB-M3G40-A
Check here to reference the Spec # to its description and application.
http://www.egitape.com/portals/0/Aut...Industrial.pdf
Quote from a harness manufacture:
Every harness is wrapped with the correct wrapping material (i.e. non adhesive vinyl tape, cloth tape, paper braid, plastic conduit or tar dipped loom) to ensure a 100% factory appearance.
http://www.wiringharness.com/chrysler.htm
Appears to be the correct tape for A-Body, B-Body and E-Body Mopar cars.
http://www.mrmoparts.net/wire-harnes...ll-cars-truck/
Technical specifications of the tape.
http://plymouthyongle.e.tradeee.com/...ss%20Tape.html
It is easy to think that your wiring harness is wrapped using regular electrical tape if you do not know how Dry Vinyl tape works, an easy way to check is to unwrap a few inches of your harness, you will see that as the tape unwinds, it is not stuck to the wires after 20 years the wires might be some sticky from the insulation breaking down but like if it were wrapped using electrical tape you would have a gooey sticky mess on all of the wires.
I have been an electrician for many years and I have unwound many miles of electrical tape.
With the heat in the engine compartment the adhesive of regular electrical tape would soften, ooze and the tape would start to unwind.
Although Dry Vinyl tape has no adhesive when tightly wrapped it adheres to itself and not to the wires inside, this might lead you to believe regular tape was used.
I have been working on vehicles since the 60’s and have worked on many electrical systems and I know my 1965,1970 Mustangs had non adhesive tape as well as probably all of my 70’s and 80’s Chevy trucks.
Hey, I do not claim to know everything but I am pretty confident that the information I give is correct to the best of my knowledge.
Also to be honest, I really cannot tell you what the newer vehicles are using because of all of the federal guidelines about flammability and toxicity in case of an accident.
Jim
GM Specification M4515
Chrysler Specification MSDC 13A
Ford Specification ESB-M3G40-A
Check here to reference the Spec # to its description and application.
http://www.egitape.com/portals/0/Aut...Industrial.pdf
Quote from a harness manufacture:
Every harness is wrapped with the correct wrapping material (i.e. non adhesive vinyl tape, cloth tape, paper braid, plastic conduit or tar dipped loom) to ensure a 100% factory appearance.
http://www.wiringharness.com/chrysler.htm
Appears to be the correct tape for A-Body, B-Body and E-Body Mopar cars.
http://www.mrmoparts.net/wire-harnes...ll-cars-truck/
Technical specifications of the tape.
http://plymouthyongle.e.tradeee.com/...ss%20Tape.html
It is easy to think that your wiring harness is wrapped using regular electrical tape if you do not know how Dry Vinyl tape works, an easy way to check is to unwrap a few inches of your harness, you will see that as the tape unwinds, it is not stuck to the wires after 20 years the wires might be some sticky from the insulation breaking down but like if it were wrapped using electrical tape you would have a gooey sticky mess on all of the wires.
I have been an electrician for many years and I have unwound many miles of electrical tape.
With the heat in the engine compartment the adhesive of regular electrical tape would soften, ooze and the tape would start to unwind.
Although Dry Vinyl tape has no adhesive when tightly wrapped it adheres to itself and not to the wires inside, this might lead you to believe regular tape was used.
I have been working on vehicles since the 60’s and have worked on many electrical systems and I know my 1965,1970 Mustangs had non adhesive tape as well as probably all of my 70’s and 80’s Chevy trucks.
Hey, I do not claim to know everything but I am pretty confident that the information I give is correct to the best of my knowledge.
Also to be honest, I really cannot tell you what the newer vehicles are using because of all of the federal guidelines about flammability and toxicity in case of an accident.
Jim
MSDC13A is referred to as a "spot tape" by Chrysler and doesn't wrap the entire harness. One of the links you provided said it's "correct", but that site also offers correct looms, adhesive tapes and tar-dipped looms. I've pulled a few factory Chrysler harnesses apart in my day and every one of them had portions where the glue from the tape, cloth and vinyl, left that black, sticky goo behind that sticks to your fingers and gets under your nails.
My intent wasn't to split hairs or be an a-hole. The point was to let the OP know that he wouldn't be doing something necessarily incorrect by using anything other than dry vinyl and that there's no publication that I know of that calls for that type of wrap to be used exclusively. The way I've been led to understand it by a guy my dad pals around with named John Potter who worked at Chrysler for over 30 years, the tape is non-adhesive because it's cheaper, not because it's inherently superior.
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Here's a factory under-dash harness for a '95 12 valve that I'm cannibalizing for my 2nd gen dually. Plenty of adhesive electrical tape on this, even more so than dry vinyl. You can see the black glue residue left behind, especially on the cluster of wires on the far left towards the bottom that lead to the blue and white female connectors:
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There.... It's all settled. Now lets get on without any more misunderstandings...
I know what the real issue that is going on with all this misunderstanding.
You're "the.beard" AKA, Frank Beard, the drummer from ZZ Top. Well, just the simple fact that you don't have a beard, yet your name is Beard, is what is throwing everyone here off. They can't understand why the discrepancy, nor the difference of reality vs imagined reality.
And furthermore, the simple fact that the community toilet plunger is missing, and no one here wants to own up to it. I know its one of your crazy fellas that frequent this meeting house in inner-space that has something to do with it's disappearance, and it's caused all these feelings of angst.
From my perspective, I can say is that I don't appreciate someone stealing the only toilet plunger in town, as I too, am afraid to use the facilities. I really don't want to have worry about if I clog the drain, and have no way of fixing it.
There.... It's all settled. Now lets get on without any more misunderstandings...
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Wait a minute here..
I know what the real issue that is going on with all this misunderstanding.
You're "the.beard" AKA, Frank Beard, the drummer from ZZ Top. Well, just the simple fact that you don't have a beard, yet your name is Beard, is what is throwing everyone here off. They can't understand why the discrepancy, nor the difference of reality vs imagined reality.
And furthermore, the simple fact that the community toilet plunger is missing, and no one here wants to own up to it. I know its one of your crazy fellas that frequent this meeting house in inner-space that has something to do with it's disappearance, and it's caused all these feelings of angst.
From my perspective, I can say is that I don't appreciate someone stealing the only toilet plunger in town, as I too, am afraid to use the facilities. I really don't want to have worry about if I clog the drain, and have no way of fixing it.
There.... It's all settled. Now lets get on without any more misunderstandings...
I know what the real issue that is going on with all this misunderstanding.
You're "the.beard" AKA, Frank Beard, the drummer from ZZ Top. Well, just the simple fact that you don't have a beard, yet your name is Beard, is what is throwing everyone here off. They can't understand why the discrepancy, nor the difference of reality vs imagined reality.
And furthermore, the simple fact that the community toilet plunger is missing, and no one here wants to own up to it. I know its one of your crazy fellas that frequent this meeting house in inner-space that has something to do with it's disappearance, and it's caused all these feelings of angst.
From my perspective, I can say is that I don't appreciate someone stealing the only toilet plunger in town, as I too, am afraid to use the facilities. I really don't want to have worry about if I clog the drain, and have no way of fixing it.
There.... It's all settled. Now lets get on without any more misunderstandings...
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I was around when this was number 1 on underground radio. Now I think that it really turned. nonono[[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLJ06WLZ96Y]/url]...Mark[
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"Don't bogart that joint my friend, pass it over to me, you've been hangin' on to it, and I sure would like a hit"
Sung to the tune of "Don't bogart that joint" by the Fraternity of Man, 1968 Yeah I'm old... I was around when this was number 1 on underground radio. Now I think that it really turned. nonono
[[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLJ06WLZ96Y]/url]...Mark[
Sung to the tune of "Don't bogart that joint" by the Fraternity of Man, 1968 Yeah I'm old...
I was around when this was number 1 on underground radio. Now I think that it really turned. nonono[[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLJ06WLZ96Y]/url]...Mark[
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