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Old May 23, 2010 | 09:05 PM
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Holset he351 VGT theory

Just curious, if the Holset he351 VGT can vary the effective exhaust turbine volume why not put a really agressive compressor section on?
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Old May 23, 2010 | 10:04 PM
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you mean like a bigger compressor wheel? something bigger like a 64 or 66mm comp. wheel for the s300 series of turbos?
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Old May 23, 2010 | 10:36 PM
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Search the 431 vgt.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rick 12v CTD
you mean like a bigger compressor wheel? something bigger like a 64 or 66mm comp. wheel for the s300 series of turbos?
Or bigger. I'm thinking with a good sized compressor wheel and a VGT we might be able to have a single turbo that performes as well as a staged setup.
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Old May 23, 2010 | 10:45 PM
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How big is an HE551?
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Old May 23, 2010 | 11:03 PM
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he551ve
comp
ind 71.75mm
exd 108.1mm

turbine
ind 86mm
exd 75mm

housing
16cm-36cm
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Old May 23, 2010 | 11:34 PM
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I like where you're going with this... what's the closed area/open area of the exhaust side of the 351 vgt?
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Old May 24, 2010 | 12:00 AM
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6-26 i believe

mine and the downpipe might be up for sale soon
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Old May 24, 2010 | 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by mhuppertz
he551ve
comp
ind 71.75mm
exd 108.1mm

turbine
ind 86mm
exd 75mm


housing
16cm-36cm
Nice numbers - but I think the turbine ##'s are a bit high....

Maybe the 431 is a better match...
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Old May 24, 2010 | 12:52 PM
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I think he wants to put the HE551 compressor on the HE351VGT exhaust housing/ wheel.
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Old May 24, 2010 | 01:56 PM
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I guess the next question is would the compressor side of the he551 go right onto the 351vgt?
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Old May 24, 2010 | 02:56 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Nice idea, but having ran a HE551V, there's absolutely no way you could put it on a 351 frame. That wheel's Major diameter is almost as big as an S480's...

HE551V, with electronic controllers they have coming to market now, might be a viable option...but I couldn't get it to spool below 2000RPM with a ported head and cam, but she made good power once it lit. 551/1083.

Chris
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Old May 24, 2010 | 03:10 PM
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Signature600, was that on your 2010???

I think the VE might be better cause of the advance timing and low end fueling.
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Old May 24, 2010 | 03:13 PM
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i had the exact same idea, it just seemed to me that the bigger turbos also had a larger center section. This to me meant (to me) that the interchange was impossible, but with the right adapter plate or maybe have some machine work done, it could be do-able. Having my he351cw to reference, it just a simple flat surface with a stepped groove around the edge, to make that surface larger and have a new groove machined in wouldn't be hard (by someone with the tools). I also think there would be lots of turbo lag, even with it closed.

You may be onto something here, keep looking into it. I'm interested!!
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Old May 24, 2010 | 04:07 PM
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Signature600, was that on your 2010???

I think the VE might be better cause of the advance timing and low end fueling.
No, on my 98 12v with a very large P7100 pump built by Columbus Diesel Supply.

I VE truck better just leave HE551 on the bench...no offense, but if you can't spool it early, it won't work well on a VE. In my experience at least.


If I wanted to modify my 2010, I have a HE551VE, that would swap right on, and plug in and be controlled just like factory. I also think that with a good cam, and the 6.7L displacement, I could spool it very well and make a LOT of power with it...but my 2010 is my daily driver, and I need it to reliably tow in excess of 30K gross weight. High power is not an option...she may just stay stock

Chris
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