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Can a 518 be "made" into a 727

Old Aug 15, 2006 | 08:48 AM
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Can a 518 be "made" into a 727

Just wondering on this one. Is the overdrive the weakest part of the 518? The overdrive unit bolts on to the tailshaft housing, correct? I want to build a shortbed race truck one of these days, and a local guy has a 518 for sale, but I would like to use a 727. Am I the only one that would rather have an auto than the getrag?
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Old Aug 15, 2006 | 09:00 AM
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Everybody would rather have an auto, some people just don't see the light, however.

I'd like to know what the internal-mechanical differences between the A-727, A-518 and 47re (or even the 48re) are.

As far as I can tell, the mechanicals between all of them are the same, only the 727's have a much better reputation than all of the designs that are based off of it...
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Old Aug 15, 2006 | 09:03 AM
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You cannot just "remove" the OD section. That tranny can be built to hold a ton of power, so I say just go for it!! If you need an old school 727 let me know.
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Old Aug 15, 2006 | 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Mcmopar
You cannot just "remove" the OD section.
But there's no reason why you can't wire a switch to lock out the overdrive section when you don't want it, correct?

Just having the overdrive in there doesn't rob any power-holding capacity, right?
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Old Aug 15, 2006 | 09:28 AM
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It's hard to say, you can just lock out OD, very easily--but, you have an extra shaft to turn, and more clutches, etc. Will it make a real difference??? I don't know.
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Old Aug 15, 2006 | 02:36 PM
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If there isn't any mechanical difference, I would love to get a 47re, with a lock-up TC and overdrive, to replace my 727. Overdrive and lock-up with a 3.07 rear end would probably let the truck idle at freeway speeds.

I just find it strange that the 727 has such a reputation as a bulletproof tranny but people treat the A-518/618 like herpes.


Jughead (or other tranny expert), we need you're experience.
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Begle1
If there isn't any mechanical difference, I would love to get a 47re, with a lock-up TC and overdrive, to replace my 727. Overdrive and lock-up with a 3.07 rear end would probably let the truck idle at freeway speeds.

I just find it strange that the 727 has such a reputation as a bulletproof tranny but people treat the A-518/618 like herpes.


Jughead (or other tranny expert), we need you're experience.
I don't consider myself an expert, but I'm not completely clueless either. I would stick to a 47RH in a 1st gen (like what I did), leave the RE for the 96 and up 2nd gen guys.

I had a nightmare with a trans shop with my 47RH and the problems boiled down to poorly built torque converters with high stall speeds and a crappy job on a valve body causing all sorts of problems. The most notiable one was lockup for no reason in reverse at part throttle.
The fix: Gorenend converter and valvebody. Fixed it right up.
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 09:42 AM
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just got my summit mag in yesterday. they have strong 727's in the $750-$1200 range
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by derek840378
just got my summit mag in yesterday. they have strong 727's in the $750-$1200 range
For a diesel? Remember the gas 727 is a completely different case. And the internal parts are probably lighter/smaller that their diesel counter parts. Not to mention the torque converter is larger and has a lower stall speed for the diesel.
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 10:02 AM
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I think that the RH stands for Hydraulically controlled and RE stands for Electronically controlled... They both are equally strong though, correct? If the RH is more of a self-contained unit, then I guess I'd want one of those.

But I still can't find the strength differences between 727 to 48re... As far as I can tell they are virtually identical.
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by JD730
For a diesel? Remember the gas 727 is a completely different case. And the internal parts are probably lighter/smaller that their diesel counter parts. Not to mention the torque converter is larger and has a lower stall speed for the diesel.
oops, yeah, they were gas
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 11:57 AM
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The 48 is stronger than the old 727, it is presumed weaker due to failures under HUGE amounts of torque that the 727 never say with a gas engine. And maybe once in a while it did, but it was way up in the RPM band.
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 12:22 PM
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Might want to check out the parts at this link:

http://www.transmissioncenter.net/dodge.htm

Don't know how competitive the pricing is and have never dealt with them, but they've got the stuff!
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Old Aug 16, 2006 | 04:37 PM
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one of the nice things about a 727 is that the shaft is not Gun drilled to get lube to the overdrive section, This makes it cheaper to build and much stronger!!!!!! I think 727's are awsome!!!!! Especially if you want to play!!!
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