PTO options?
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PTO options?
Please excuse me if this has been covered before, but the DTR search function isn't working well. I have just bought a 98 12 valve 4x4 with the quad cab and auto trans. What is the designation of the transmission and transfer case and do either have provisions for a pto gearbox? If there isn't a pto I may try to find room in the engine bay for a belt driven hydraulic pump, but pto is my first choice. Also, the trans is a factory rebuild with an upgraded valve body and torque converter. Now, the wait for it to get shipped here... TIA
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Seth, you have a 47RE transmission with either a NP241 or NP241HD transfer case. The HD transfer cases have a PTO on them. If you don't have the PTO, you don't have the HD t-case.
Crawl under there and see which t-case you have...
Crawl under there and see which t-case you have...
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I assume that with the pto on the transfer, you would need the trans to be in drive, and the transfer in neutral to use it? Not ideal for running a sander spreader or plow. I guess only manuals have pto off of the trans input shaft.?.
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Big problem with transfer case PTOs is they will even go in reverse which can be disastrous for some applications.
Tranny PTOs only turn one direction depending on which side of the tranny it's installed and speed is dependent only on engine rpm.
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Hence, the model is NV241 and NV241HD.
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I've always seen it referred to as the NP241, even in technical manuals, so I did a quick google and found the following:
Although it wouldn't be technically incorrect to refer to our t-cases as "New Venture", they actually wear the New Process tag, making the latter name more correct.
Dodge NP241's have a planetary low range ratio of 2.72:1. There were numerous design changes in the 241 during its production life making parts selection a bit tricky without the transfer case build tag. There is also some confusion over New Process and New Venture production of the 241. All 241's were manufactured at the New Process Gear plant in Syracuse, New York which became part of New Venture Gear when Dodge and GM merged their manual transmission and transfer case production in the early 1990's. The build tag found on all 241 transfer cases feature the New Process Gear name, so for purposes of consistency, we generally refer to all 241 transfer cases as the NP241.
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Thanks for the info on the t-case. I've decided to go with an engine driven clutch pump and a mount from http://www.cwkits.com/ to run the dump body and plow, seems like a better setup. The trucks not coming in till the 2nd week of Feb so I've got lots of time think about what to do with it.
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I've always seen it referred to as the NP241, even in technical manuals, so I did a quick google and found the following:
Although it wouldn't be technically incorrect to refer to our t-cases as "New Venture", they actually wear the New Process tag, making the latter name more correct.
Although it wouldn't be technically incorrect to refer to our t-cases as "New Venture", they actually wear the New Process tag, making the latter name more correct.
So THAT's where I got it! Thanks for the correction..
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Hate to hijack but maybe you guys can help. I started a thread asking questions about dld and dhd transfer cases but havent gotten the answer I need
I bought a dodge truck with nv4500 and a 241 transfer case with a 241dh tag and on it. it also has the build sticker on it showing 11/99 build date and dh . It DOES NOT have a PTO on it. I talked with George at Rockland standard gear and he said is was a dld. He also said the dhd had 2 extension housings which mine has. The planetary gear has 6 "orbit gears" which I believe is dhd. So what gives?
I ask beacause I need to know which xfer case i have to buy the right parts
thanks
I bought a dodge truck with nv4500 and a 241 transfer case with a 241dh tag and on it. it also has the build sticker on it showing 11/99 build date and dh . It DOES NOT have a PTO on it. I talked with George at Rockland standard gear and he said is was a dld. He also said the dhd had 2 extension housings which mine has. The planetary gear has 6 "orbit gears" which I believe is dhd. So what gives?
I ask beacause I need to know which xfer case i have to buy the right parts
thanks
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I don't know but i have a nv4500 it has pto covers on both sides. my PTO is on the drivers side. I hear you can put on a auto also tho...
But the BEST was would be to put a belt driven unit on it. Our auto has that one. Its about 800 for the kit but by far the best way to go. The PTO's have a bad habit of going through control ( on and off) cables/lines pretty quickly.
I have both overdriven units so you dont have to idle the truck up....
But the BEST was would be to put a belt driven unit on it. Our auto has that one. Its about 800 for the kit but by far the best way to go. The PTO's have a bad habit of going through control ( on and off) cables/lines pretty quickly.
I have both overdriven units so you dont have to idle the truck up....
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Yeah my opinion of pto's is not very high since we had to replace the pto on both our garbage trucks last week. They broke with in a day of each other.
A belt drivin unit would be an easy rout if you could find the secondary alternator bracket for an ambulance package. Belts are a cheaper fix if something goes wrong with the pump than a transmission.
A belt drivin unit would be an easy rout if you could find the secondary alternator bracket for an ambulance package. Belts are a cheaper fix if something goes wrong with the pump than a transmission.
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