TruckYou

Hey all, I don't spend a whole lot of time in the 2nd Gen discussion, but over the last year iv leaned farther and farther towards a p pump swap for my 1st Gen.
Iv read, some people do not recommend compounds on a 160 pump.
Iv found a few pumps at good prices, a 160 and a couple 175 pumps. Iv seen a 180 pump sell for a bunch of money, and haven't found a 215.

My question is, what are each of these pumps capable of power wise? I'd like to make the investment crrectly the 1st time.

gorms

What are your power goals, realistically? Any one of those pumps will fuel for 4-500 HP with supporting mods fairly easily. The 180 and 215 HP pumps are more desirable for their cam profile, though there are other differences between the two.

Some of the early 160 HP pumps had a tendency of warping barrels, but any of the dodge pumps will be fine for supporting compounds.

u2slow

I'm not a fan of doing what everybody else is doing. I despise the term 'investment' when it comes to vehicles.

I would give a long hard look at the cost of the raw p-pump conversion parts before you get started. A pump core, timing cover, lines, etc add up fast. In many cases you might as well buy a complete used engine. *Then* you performance build on top of that.

The VE pump is very good - even better than the P with respect to dynamic timing. All it lacks is full-tilt power potential.

I'll be looking at this route when one of my VE's needs overhaul....
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TruckYou

Well thanks for the input guys. I didn't plan on doing it as quickly as I ended up, but I bought another truck! I found a smoking deal on a 95 3500, 1 ton, extended cab, long box, duelly. The truck is an auto truck, and has a clean title, but is in rough shape. At $500 I figured it would be a perfect candidate to swap into my first gen. I'll post pics

You asked how much power I want to make, and my best answer would be, as much as I can. Iv been around for a while, I understand how to make the power, and the supporting mods to handle the power, I am just very new to the p7100. My truck isn't a daily driver, nor a towing rig. It's a purpose built toy to just raise hell with, until I feel someday that I'm ready to take it another step further and I feel it's competitive enough to Pull with.

I was originally a little bummed it was a 160 pump truck, but after a little thought was invested into it, I convinced my self there's no room for b****ing about a $800 complete 2nd Gen with 100k on the odometer.

At the moment my goal is to get the engine swap complete and keep it stock until then. Once it's swapped and running correctly, I'll begin with the mods. I'm building more of a hotrod of a sort. It's obviously has gotta be streetable, but this truck will never see more than 50 miles in a day, and never tow. IV a built 0 mile 47rh waiting in the shop, plan on Headstuds, head gasket, and maybe some mild p&p while the heads off. As for turbo and injectors, I'm unsure. Iv got to do a little more research, my brain is filled with 1st Gen information, and in the 1st Gen world everyone runs 62s. Iv got a 62/71/13 HTT which I'll probably toss on to start, but replacing eventually for a larger single, or maybe try to use it in a make shift compound set up

John_P

TruckYou:

The 160 H.P. Pumps are capable of good power if they are set-up by a competent diesel shop that has the the pump stands to do that work. As DTR Member Gorms told you, the "cam profiles" are different between the 160, 180 and 215 pumps, but they all can be set-up to flow alot of fuel. FWIW, my 1996 Dodge CTD 12 valve came with the 180 pump, and I went to a 215 to have more fuel. With that being said, my 215 pump was then put on a pump stand @ "Scheid Diesel" and they set it up to flow close to 500ccs at full rack using the standard 12mm barrels etc. You can look at my "signature" but I am over 800 H.P. now and can run mid 11's in the quarter mile trapping at about 118-120 MPH. Also, you can still buy the 180/215 P-7100 fuel pumps new or reman and I know Scheid Diesel can get them.

Hope this helps you some Sir!

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John_P

patdaly

Yep, you want to get there, pick Johns brain.

His is an amazing truck............

John_P

Thanks for your kind words Pat! As you know, alot of it has been "trial and error" on my part and thank God for my buddy Dan Scheid @ "Scheid Diesel."

patdaly

Thanks for being the guinea pig............... When I finally do lose my mind ( or Greenie needs work ) I plan on picking your brain and having Scheid do my pump and Injectors...... I am fortunate though, all I want is a utterly dependable 400 ish HP........ Any more and I would kill myself.