12 Valve Engine and Drivetrain Talk about the 12V engine and drivetrain here. This is for 1994-1998.5 engine and drivetrain discussion only.

No Grid Heaters

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 12-22-2004, 09:43 AM
  #1  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
BIG&BAD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: ZIA Pueblo, New Mexico
Posts: 252
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
No Grid Heaters

hey guys
i have been noticing that my lights dont dim and my voltage gauge doenst move anymore
when i start my truck up cold

its used to do it all the time when it got to about 30 degrees
is there a fuse or relay for the grid heaters? what controls the gridheaters?


thanks for your time guys
i appreciate it
Bruce
Old 12-22-2004, 10:34 AM
  #2  
Registered User
 
INJECTOR JACK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: South Surrey,B.C. Canada!
Posts: 360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Does the wait to start light come on?
Old 12-22-2004, 10:54 AM
  #3  
Registered User
 
infidel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Montana
Posts: 14,672
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Most common grid problem is the small trigger wires falling off the two relays almost under the driver's side battery. They just slip over a threaded post, a little squeeze with some pliers before putting them back on will tighten them up.

If you are plugging in the block heater for long enough the grids won't come on at all.
Old 12-22-2004, 11:48 AM
  #4  
Registered User
 
berner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Saskatoon, Sk, Canada
Posts: 826
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
The haynes manual does an excellent job of running a check through the whole grid heater system. I ended up replacing the solenoids. Only one was burnt, but DC only sells them in pairs. Go figure.
Old 12-22-2004, 02:36 PM
  #5  
Registered User
 
farmer dave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Alma, MI
Posts: 831
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I had the same problem with my last truck. The grid heater relay was bad. I didn't know it until it was about -10 and truck hardly started. It is a easy fix.
Old 12-22-2004, 06:31 PM
  #6  
Registered User
 
infidel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Montana
Posts: 14,672
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Next time skip the dealer and buy a starter solenoid for an old Ford from any auto parts. Very heavy duty for under $10.
Old 12-22-2004, 06:34 PM
  #7  
Registered User
 
doodah's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Elma Iowa
Posts: 557
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I think I need to know more infidel!lol how old of ford? starter solinoid?
Old 12-22-2004, 07:13 PM
  #8  
Registered User
 
vtailflyer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Posts: 97
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
My 93 Aerostar has a real good starter solenoid that would work for the heaters...

wonder if my wife would mind
Old 12-22-2004, 09:59 PM
  #9  
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
BIG&BAD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: ZIA Pueblo, New Mexico
Posts: 252
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
yes the lights comes on and stays on for about 30sec "i just tried to start it w/o pluging it in - no go

when i went hunting in nov it got down to about 30 and i could not turn it on without have to jump it to another battery then finally it turned over and came to life with a most impressive smoke show

im not sure what wrong with my truck cause i cant get it to turn on without a boost

im going to get my batterys checked, replace the cable that connects the batterys, get a starter solenoid for a 93 aerostar, and check under the drives side battery, and also rebuild my alternator

i just want to know that my truck will start when i really need it to

if you can help me out some more that be great
thanks for all the replys and help
Old 12-22-2004, 10:09 PM
  #10  
Registered User
 
berner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Saskatoon, Sk, Canada
Posts: 826
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Originally posted by infidel
Next time skip the dealer and buy a starter solenoid for an old Ford from any auto parts. Very heavy duty for under $10.
I should have said "relays" not solenoids. Under the drivers side battery. They come in pairs. Old Ford solenoids work for this application??
Old 12-22-2004, 11:08 PM
  #11  
Registered User
 
INJECTOR JACK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: South Surrey,B.C. Canada!
Posts: 360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
I guess they would because they handle high current for a period of time so they should work. Sounds like you have battery trouble as well if you have to jump start it. I rebuilt my alt not long ago , it's no sweet if you can find the parts. Have you tested to see if you are getting power at the grid when the wait to start light is on? Also check your grounds as well a easy thing to over look.
Old 12-23-2004, 05:14 AM
  #12  
Registered User
 
twoweeks1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: indianapolis
Posts: 19
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Injector jack where did you get the parts for your rebuild? how much were they. Mine sometimes surges in power and have always in the back of my mind thought the end is near. Thanks wayne
Old 12-23-2004, 08:44 AM
  #13  
Registered User
 
kd460's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Southeastern Michigan
Posts: 953
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Don't want to speak for Injector jack, but heres a few sources:

http://www.fixinrams.com/index.html

http://www.fostertruck.com/dodge/default.htm

And if you need replacement, check these babies out:

http://www.mean-green.com/index.html

Good luck, Kevin
Old 12-23-2004, 09:37 AM
  #14  
Registered User
 
INJECTOR JACK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: South Surrey,B.C. Canada!
Posts: 360
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thats the 1st time I have looked at the Foster truck parts. They have some good stuff. I have used the heavy duty starter parts in my Dads 98 they work great, bought them from PDR though.
Old 12-23-2004, 09:59 AM
  #15  
Registered User
 
infidel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Montana
Posts: 14,672
Likes: 0
Received 9 Likes on 9 Posts
Originally posted by berner
I should have said "relays" not solenoids. Under the drivers side battery. They come in pairs. Old Ford solenoids work for this application??
Yes they work excellent. For some reason when relays are rated for high amps they're sometimes called solenoids but what you want is in fact a relay. Ford used the exact same relay in every one of it's vehicles since 12 volts was introduced in the 50's until late in the '80s. They must have made billions of them, very easy and cheap to come by. If an auto parts guy doesn't know what a Ford starter relay is he might need help tying his shoes also.

The relays Foster truck sells are not rated high enough for the grids.


Quick Reply: No Grid Heaters



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:57 PM.