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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 07:49 PM
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new 92 CTD owner. pump problem

hello all I am the new owner of a 92 CTD. 4x4 5speed.

the pump is spraying form the back of the pump. not the very back of the pump but about an 1" back from a seam on the pump head it looks like.


from what I have read of hear it is just a O ring or a simple seal.


ok so hear is my problem. how in the world to I pull the pump? I got all the lines off and out of the way.all the other little lines. and I got the 3 bolts off. the timing cover. (the bracket was allready off from the prevous owner.)

so form what I read of hear I thought I would be able to just pull the pump out. not so, I'm I going to have to pull the timing cover this is turning in to ma much larger job that I envisioned.



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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 07:59 PM
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There's a little plate on the back side of the pump that came loose on mine as I was going down the road, after I pulled over and looked I could see where it was coming from and all that needed was the two torx screws tightened and it would be fine, but there was no way to get them tightened without removing the pump completely. So I had to have the truck towed 5 miles to a local truck shop and the diesel mechanic pulled the pump, but in those 5 miles the little plate seemed to have fallen off all together, luckily he had VE pump to rob the little plate from and put a new gasket on it. $200 later it was back on the road, kinda sucked having to have all that work done to for just two screws that worked loose!!


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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 08:02 PM
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and how did the mech get the pump off?





JK dude thanks for your help.
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 08:26 PM
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No clue man, I saw all those injector lines and stuff and new it would be over my head to try especially since I needed it back as soon as possible since it's my daily driver and all! Sorry I couldn't help more, but good luck!


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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 08:47 PM
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Pull your oil fill tube off the front of the motor where it goes into the timing cover.


BEHIND this you will see a large nut that is attached to the pump shaft. You need to remove this nut then use a puller to PUSH the shaft through the gear. There are two threaded holes that you will need to thread a couple bolts into to get the puller to work (8x1.25 size and pitch IIRC)

Once you have the pump pushed off the gear (it'll POP then you are free) You can remove the pump. Be advised that there is a key on the pump that may fall out. It is best to try to get the keyway in the 12 o'clock position before removal to avoid the chance of dropping the key.
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Old Jul 27, 2006 | 09:13 PM
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Pull your oil fill tube off the front of the motor where it goes into the timing cover.


BEHIND this you will see a large nut that is attached to the pump shaft. You need to remove this nut then use a puller to PUSH the shaft through the gear. There are two threaded holes that you will need to thread a couple bolts into to get the puller to work (8x1.25 size and pitch IIRC)

Once you have the pump pushed off the gear (it'll POP then you are free) You can remove the pump. Be advised that there is a key on the pump that may fall out. It is best to try to get the keyway in the 12 o'clock position before removal to avoid the chance of dropping the key.


thanks for the help. this sounds like more of a job than I was wanting to get in to. to late now


any advice on putting it back in? does it need to be pressed on the gear?
when I pull out the pump will the gear fall? right now the power steering pump is out as well. does that need to be put back in?

do I have enuff room in thier for the puller with the fan in place? or do I need to remove the fan and shroud?
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Old Jul 28, 2006 | 02:33 PM
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thanks for the help. this sounds like more of a job than I was wanting to get in to. to late now


any advice on putting it back in? does it need to be pressed on the gear?
when I pull out the pump will the gear fall? right now the power steering pump is out as well. does that need to be put back in?

do I have enuff room in thier for the puller with the fan in place? or do I need to remove the fan and shroud?

bumping this up
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Old Jul 28, 2006 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by keller
thanks for the help. this sounds like more of a job than I was wanting to get in to. to late now


any advice on putting it back in? does it need to be pressed on the gear?
when I pull out the pump will the gear fall? right now the power steering pump is out as well. does that need to be put back in?

do I have enuff room in thier for the puller with the fan in place? or do I need to remove the fan and shroud?
Helpful hint- When you unscrew the nut, put a screwdriver against the pump shaft so you don't drop the nut in the timing case.

Once the nut is off, turn the motor over so that the keyway on the pump shaft is facing up, this will make it harder to drop the key.

The gear will not fall or move too far, when you put it back together the nut will pull the gear back onto the shaft.

Remove the fan and shroud. The puller you need is also known as a a steering wheel puller. You can use the bolts from the intake elbow on top of the engine.
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Old Jul 28, 2006 | 06:56 PM
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thanks for the tips.

but I actually got it out about an hour ago. I used my brother in laws stering wheel puller. other puller was way to long. whent and bought some bolts. but thanks I will remeber that next time. I had the power stearing pump oput so I felt around under their and feal the bolt boss that would hold up the pump gear.





so now the pump is out. I took off the (head) or the back section of the pump wear the lines go in. thier is a large flat Oring thier. thats wear it was leaking from. but all the bolts wear tight. and the o ring looks fine?????????

also my brother in law dumped the pump on end and all these little berings came tumbeling out I think I figured out how it goes back together.



wear can I get a new Oring quick? will napa have a Oring and seal kit for thease pumps. how bout autozone? I know they deal with bosch. any luck I will find a kit by tomorow?
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Old Jul 29, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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well napa cant get it. and from what im told the dealer dosent have it either.

help please. wear do I go to get a seal kit?


I also need a power streering gasket and the pump gasket. I think the dealer can get thease but I would rather just order from one place.


I wold also like to order the 3200 spring.


I have the paart numers for the seal kit-(dgk121) and the spring-(366)


any one have a nuber I can call? or no of a bussneiss in the st louis area that may carry thease parts?
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Old Jul 29, 2006 | 10:51 AM
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You said the bolts were tight and the O-ring looked fine. Have you checked the metal surfaces on both sides of the O-ring to make sure there isn't a nick that's causing the leak?

Other than that, I think a Bosch pump shop/dealer would be the best place to find that O-ring and 3200 spring.
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Old Jul 29, 2006 | 11:24 AM
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You said the bolts were tight and the O-ring looked fine. Have you checked the metal surfaces on both sides of the O-ring to make sure there isn't a nick that's causing the leak?

Other than that, I think a Bosch pump shop/dealer would be the best place to find that O-ring and 3200 spring.

yea I called around to some of the dealers. one said he might could get me individual seals so that looks like an option. but he said he couldent find any thing on the part number dkg121. he gave me a number to a (diesel truck somthing) shop. that could posabley help me out. but of corse thier not in thier on a saterday.


yes the oring looked fine. and I dient see any cracks or nicks in the pump body. that kind of worries me, I dont want to put this thing all back together just to have it leek again. should I just send it out for a rebulid? how much does that cost? know of any good shops that do it?
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