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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 09:54 AM
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Had not thought about that! Only 20* difference at startup so you're probably right!
Just seems like a lot of heat soak considering how briefly the the new air sits in the head.
(1/16th of a sec at 2000 rpm, by my calculation).

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It does seem fast, but then you think about how quickly air is rushing through the intercooler and the temp drops that you see there. Heat transfer on the volume of air we are talking about occurs pretty rapidly.

It is interesting to see the actual numbers to get a real picture of how things are working.
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 10:22 AM
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Went out and played this afternoon (OAT was 94*). At 70 mph cruise, and with my Quad EGT probe still mounted on my Airhorn.... readings were 92* at the Airhorn.... 132* at the IAT sensor inside the head!

40* difference????? Part of me says maybe. Part of me says no way the difference can be that many degrees!

Anyone have any thoughts?
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Several factors influence the temp readings; the airhorn probe is sheathed (& grounded, I assume) type K - what is the in-head IAT? Also, the intake charge is shedding heat to the airhorn, while absorbing thermal energy from the head. Without the same type of probe and same method of sampling, I wouldn't regard delta temps of less than 10*F as significant.

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Im probabl going to santa fe, new mexico for a baseball scholarship. And it doesnt look there is any chapter there so I will be a far-off memeber.
You should contact Chris Brahs (cbrahs) out in Albuquerque - there's a small but dedicated group of diesel bombers out there that has a lot of fun together... bunch of good guys.

Originally Posted by AggieJustin
I guess I'd question the 92* airhorn temp with a 94* ambient. I wouldn't expect the intercooler to be that efficient.
Even the OEM CACs are pretty efficient; ~ 2psi pressure loss across it and removes enough heat from the compressed air to produce single-digit differentials... i.e. the '05 with stock parts runs about 5-10*F higher in the airhorn than ambient during normal part-throttle driving, and won't climb higher than ~ 25*F differential at max fueling (usually run out of road and/or gear before it completely stabilizes).

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Don't know what makes an 04.5, unless it's the G56 Trans? I know the 04's don't have them and the 05's do.
You do know about Carfax,,,,Right?
Good Luck!
RJ
Biggest difference for the '04.5 is the switch from the HE341 to HE351... larger compressor & duty-cycle modulated wastegate solenoid.

Originally Posted by RowJ
Had not thought about that! Only 20* difference at startup so you're probably right!
Just seems like a lot of heat soak considering how briefly the the new air sits in the head.
(1/16th of a sec at 2000 rpm, by my calculation).
RJ
Think of the intake charge's short duration through the CAC and how much thermal energy is transferred... with inlet temps of 350-500*F and outlet temps in the 100-150*F range.

For a hyperbolic example, consider the exhaust of a hair dryer.
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 10:36 AM
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BTW -
I'm putting the word out for a pair of HE351s for our '98 parallel twin turbo project - looking to get some take-offs for fitment/fab, would prefer good condition units ready to rock!

Willing to trade for parts...
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by XLR8R
... consider the exhaust of a hair dryer.
Good points but.....What's a hair dryer?

RJ
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 11:55 AM
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Oops!

Didn't mean to aim below the belt...
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 12:20 PM
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Not a problem. Figured I better say it before someone else picked up on your example and made a less passive remark.

RJ
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 01:52 PM
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Well, we know Robert wouldn't dare to say anything...maybe Charlie too? (can't remember the last time I seen 'im without his hat )

Fess up, guys - any more of the Follically Challenged hereabouts?

Baldies Unite!
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by XLR8R
Well, we know Robert wouldn't dare to say anything...maybe Charlie too? (can't remember the last time I seen 'im without his hat )

Fess up, guys - any more of the Follically Challenged hereabouts?

Baldies Unite!
I still have a head full.

Too bad everything under it is slipping away.
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 03:21 PM
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BALDIE by choice here , well buzzed anyways.

the 05 i drove this morning i was not real impressed with it. road noise was unbearable. had a few more blemishes that what the photo showed. o also leaving there lot, the water temp got to 240ish, from there on it was down hill.

so i drove an 06 mega, 2wd with 32k miles and i think i fell in love.... if it had a stick in her i probably would have drove it home.
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 03RAMBUNCTIOUS
BALDIE by choice here , well buzzed anyways.

the 05 i drove this morning i was not real impressed with it. road noise was unbearable. had a few more blemishes that what the photo showed. o also leaving there lot, the water temp got to 240ish, from there on it was down hill.

so i drove an 06 mega, 2wd with 32k miles and i think i fell in love.... if it had a stick in her i probably would have drove it home.
UH OH!!! Max has the new truck fever. i guess we won't ever see ol red anymore.
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 05:42 PM
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no need for a stick... You wanna go fast right????
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 06:37 PM
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thought about it, might aswell get this one paid off i dont owe to much on her.

EDIT: IMPULSE buys and/or purchases out of a fit of rage are going to catch up to me one day.

so now i need to find someone that knows a thing or two about the CR to help diagnose my issues and just fix it, if i am lucky it is just a sensor somewhere....

Scott, yea fast is fun, but so is "GRABBIN' GEARS" and i dont want to pay 5-7K for a built auto tranny.
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 03RAMBUNCTIOUS
so now i need to find someone that knows a thing or two about the CR to help diagnose my issues and just fix it, if i am lucky it is just a sensor somewhere....
What issues?

Don't you know that you're surrounded by Beautiful Minds around here!
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by XLR8R
What issues?

Don't you know that you're surrounded by Beautiful Minds around here!


i am not sure if i am driving my truck incorrectly, but at the next meet all ya'll can tag team her to see if the same results pop up..

about half the time i start in second gear, let out the clutch with no addtion of the the skinny pedal, and about half the time it works and goes fine and smoothly...


the other half the time, the RPM's drop to about 400-500, the JUMP up to 1100 or so giving this wonderful bucking affect.

OR, from a rolling idle in 1st 2nd 3rd gear, i push the skinny pedal and there is no response or a "dead pedal" for about 1/2 second then it JUMPS up again creating a nice bucking affect

lately the idle has been rougher, i am leaning toward injector issue??

all the symptoms have been around long before the introduction of jet a.

affect/effect i never know which one to use, always troubled me in highschool.
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Old Jun 9, 2008 | 07:58 PM
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Tps sensor?
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