Been reading over at RV.Net and it seems that the new Toyotas can pull anything and get GREAT MPG and ride good and last forever at a fraction of the cost of a CTD.

Sooooo long ol' friend, hellooooooooo Tundra!!

Are those guys for real??? If they aren't exhalting Toyota they're bragging about their minivan and how it can tow like a tank.

Going to stop visiting there, it's making me crazy.

 

---OK so you are not really losing your mind!!

 

Terrible situation, Dont they eat toe foe ,and salid , talk with a lisp. Thay fella?

 

My truck is a CTD. See sig for details. My wife's ride is an '03 Tundra. It is a great little truck for what it was designed for. It pulls our 1800 pound pop-up trailer like it is not there. Well, except for the time we pulled it over Wolf Creek Pass, then we definately knew it was there. We use the Tundra for our little run around truck. Even as great as it is, however, there is no way it would take our 17K fiver down the road like the CTD does.

I guess I am trying to say that, used within its limits, Toyota does make a great product. We have had 2 4-Runners and 3 Toyota pickups. No major problems with any of them.

 

Dude...you are out of your mind!!!

 

As radshooter said, the Tundra is great for what it is, a 1/2 ton with a small displacment V8. It pulls 5k and under ok, but I wouldn't want to do more with the current model. The new 07 is going to be bigger and have a larger 5.7liter V8, and higher capacities. But the quality is definately better than the Rams. My 2000 Tundra with 100k had less work done to it than my 03 Ram at 50k (neither pulling over 5k and both driven similarly).

 

It kind of depends.......... a gasser can NOT compete with a diesel when it comes to power and fuel economy. How many gasoline powered Semi's do you see?

This does not mean that a gasser is bad when you consider day to day driving and maybe once or twice a year hauling of a relatively light trailor... it just depends. Pay attention to the facts and make your own decision based upon them.

I sold a very good gas powered chev pickup which had served me very well and bought an old CTD because it was a good conventional diesel with good power and great economy. I tow a fifth wheel for a lot of miles so the overall economy was the deciding factor. You have to decide for yourself depending on power, miles traveled, economy etc. There is NO rule. Make the choice which fits your circumstances.

 

What Bill said is absolutely correct. It just depends on what you need the truck to do. A gasser doesn't have the same ability as a diesel, but can still do what it was designed to do well.

Plus diesels are fun, so even if you don't need one, its ok to have one.

 

If you really wanna pull heavy, ditch the Cummins for a Nissan TITAN!

 

That's it, I'm switchin'.

 

I've heard that the new Toyota pickup coming out will have a 10k lb. GVWR.

 

Heavy duty trucks are the last auto market that america still has ground. China and Japan will take that away in the coming years. In five years you will hear about cummins, dodge and ford laying off thousands more. I am republican and would never go liberal. However, our country is going in the wrong direction fast. I work for Intel chip plant. We are laying off 10,000 people in the next year while building in china. We have literally sold out our country.

 

It doesn't matter whether or not you feel you or your fellow countrymen feel like they sold themselves out. The Oil based economy of the USA must now deal with the fact that the world supply has peaked. Automobile manufacturing in the USA has perversely followed the model that the supply is unlimited. You now have and entirely debt driven economy. GM and Ford make little or no money on manufacturing, they derive profit from debt financing. The world doesn't like SUV's and won't buy the only thing that NA industry can build well. You (we) are headed for the trash heap just like the British and their wrong headed coal based economy did. China has energetic and bright people who are tuned to what the world wants. Can you imagine what will happen to the US dollar if China demanded gold for trade deficit. The US dollar (and the Canadian which rises and falls with it) would tank. Old style Republicans understand how the world works, why can't the Southern tribe figure it out??? Other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the play? (No this is NOT a Ford Joke.)

 

Not sure I follow you. Chinas demand for oil is what is driving "diesel" and gas prices up. They are very tied to Iran. Which is why I hope we do not go to war against them. As far as Oil, there is so much oil left it aint funny. We have been given a lie on the current amounts.

 

The US and China are tied together by economic necessity. Iran is just being wrong headed because of decades of US control. Or was it the boy scouts who invaded and set up the Shaw as dictator? New oil is no longer the exciting engine of eternal economic growth. Some Africans thank their lucky stars that their region was NOT blessed with abundant oil reserves. Who knows what the next big change in global development will depend upon. Remember GM deliberately bought out bus companies and bus manufacturers, and '50's Republicans steered North America to dependance on the automobile. Flying over any of our cities shocks one as to the percentage of the country side dedicated to automobiles. Sure I grew up in the "good times" of the automobile. Think about the polution, the time wasted in traffic, the noise, accidents etc etc. It can NOT keep going. The numbers don't add up. Sure, as the price of oil goes up, unprofitable sources will be exploited and the supply will seem to be stable for a while. Look at other technologies and energy sources in the past. Could the 17th Century Dutch imagine that their wind power based system would ever be replaced? People say the unions and war debt brought the once mighty British Empire to its knees... It was antiquated coal and steam based technology. They had trillions in railroads, coal and steam and refused to acknowledge the impact of oil, electricity and the internal combustion engine. The only thing that remains the same is the attitude that it can't happen here. Who will be ready to lead the world in the next power sources, the next technology? Are not the only truly North American automobile manufacturers bankrupt and living off the profits of their loan divisions?

By the way, I like steam engines too. I have even looked at engineering diagrams of Dutch wind mills and been amazed at how little is really new. Past technologies and the empires built on them did not become bad, they were just replaced by something which somebody else was ready to bring forward while they were kicking and screaming and resisting with all their might. Sure oil will last a while longer. Wouldn't it be nice if we were also on the leading edge of the next technology? What would happen if wind generated power and electric vehicles were given the same subsidies that the automobile had been given? Have you had a driveway asphalted lately? Kind of pricey eh? Wonder what it has cost to build and maintain the Eisenhower Interstate System?