This is not something that has come up for me yet but I'm curious about it.

If my trailer has a 14,000 GVW...(flatbed gooseneck)

Can I have a gross trailer weight of say, 18,000# (including 5000# trailer) , knowing that if it is loaded PROPERLY that about 25% of that 18,000 is going to my rear axle, and thus only about 13500# is going to the rear axles (2 x 7000# axles).

Or... does the GVW apply to the entire trailer, meaning that if you weighed the trailer ALONE, it could not have more than 14,000 on it?

Just a little curious about how that works. THANKS.

 

Legally, it's trailer alone.

 

And the gross trailer weight includes the weight of the trailer.

14,000 - weight of trailer = weight of legal load.

 

Ditto above.

 

Certainly you can have a gross of 18000 and even knowing there is probably a 20 per cent safety factor, you are still pushing the odds of something bad happening. Not to mention the fact that you are over the gross on your truck most likely at that point too. My GN is rated for 14000 also but I have hauled a little over 12000 on it from time to time making it up around 18000 with the size trailer I have and all the accessories. I don't do it very often and it is usually only to local tractor pulls close to home, no long distance. People do it all the time so I guess it's just how lucky you feel or how much you want to push the odds of getting caught or something happening.

 

It should say "trailer only" on the ticket

 

My GN trailer is a 20000 lb. After it was loaded I put it on the scales at the truck stop. 17598lbs. on the trailer axles. 6330lbs. on the rear axle of my 2500 and 4800 or something on my front axle. I figured the only place I was over gross was my back truck axle by about 300lbs.

 

Barry if I totaled your weights correctly and based on the CGVR of my '97 2500, you were aboout 10,000 lbs over the rating on your truck!

The Combined Gross Weight Rating of my '97 was 18,800 lb.

 

6330 + 4800 = 11,130

Check the sticker on the door jamb of your 2500 and I'll bet you'll find that the GVWR is more like 8800. The GVWR is over by 2330.

 

The reason I figure they have that GVWR at 8800 is because of the Stopping power required to stop that weight. If you add the recommended weight up in both axles, it comes to about 11,000. So why are they only saying 8800 for the whole truck ????

 

The fact that the sum of the GAWR's is greater than the GVWR only means that you have flexibility in the placement of the load - more to the front or to the rear. If your owner's manual reads like mine, Dodge is very clear that none of the ratings are to be exceeded (i.e., GCWR, GVWR or GAWRs) in towing or hauling service.

Rusty

 

If you take time to ask or call DOT they will tell you! Truck+trailer lbs emty.truck 7000lbs trailer5000lbs=12000lbs emty.Loaded truck door sticker 8800 trailer 14000=22800GVW.You can haul10800lbs max!Fedral DOT law also states you need HUT stiker if you can haul trailer with 10000GVW or more. AMT

 

HUT?

Does that fall under the use of RV's , cause there is an exclusinary clause thats states rv's are not included?

 

Never seen a RV with HUT!Never see RV pulled over by DOT.I dont think they bother them much here in the Finger lakes.But DOT did tell me they are working on GGVW towing for all trucks.When you buy a truck it will be printed on drivers door along with your other viiiiitles AMT

 

AMT hit it right

The dot for private vehicles and farm vehicles is in a GREY area, you are right anything over 10k requires a class A license but the class A right now in most states is only issued to commercial vehicles not private applications. hence the GREY area, in the next couple of years they will have top come up with a licensing program to effectively test and issue these things and regulate loads. i do know that private vehicles can be issued citations for being over loaded .... over gvwr and gcvwr the trailer rating plus truck rating.

other factors to remember that they can and do issue tickets even to private vehicles are under rated tires and over length truck+trailer bumper to bumper.

I think that they have some legal issues with the HUT because of constitutional law, i have heard something about that private interstate travel is protected from additional taxation... GREY

I know when i was running trailers and vehicles over the west i hauled a 24' gooseneck with a 12' tilt tandem behind it (62' long combo), i was always under my total gross combined legal rating (done per axle and the spread between axles, not by factory specs) but i did get a warning here and there about being over wieght on the truck, the DOT guys were ussually pretty friendly about it because they understand that within 1000 lbs of balanced is understandible especially when you are light enough to have braking power to spare.

They look at both balance and total gvw