... and wanted to confirm it here. To what extent is DPF language on this site not allowed? I read that DTR has/does ban a user for discussing the removal or modification of the DPF system on the 6.7L trucks. As you can see by my signature, I do not own a 6.7 so I'm just curious about the accuracy of what I read elsewhere. I do plan on getting a 6.7, but don't intend on removing or modifying the DPF (or modifying the truck in general, for that matter); however, couldn't language about the cat test pipe or "the loss of the kitty" be censored as well? I'm not trying to stir things up; I'm just asking for clarification. Thanks

 

Read the sticky in the third gen forum.

 

I'm guessing you're talking about the "Deleting Emissions Equipment" sticky? If so, it doesn't necessarily address my question about banning conversation.... does it? I'm just trying to confirm if this is a false statement made by someone on another site because there are gobs of posts and signatures that include modifications to emissions equipment..... including mine.

 

Let me see....

"Defeating emissions equipment is against federal law therefore not allowed to be discussed on this forum."

Does this not answer the question?

You read wrong. We don't ban users for having a discussion, even if it has broken the rules. We'll remove the post, change it and erase a thread depending on the situation, including warning a user. However, if the user can't seem to get it through their head that certain types of discussion isn't allowed, and they continue to push the rules regardless of how many times they've been warned, then they will find themselves banned.

If you get banned, it's for a reason. You either can't play well with others or you have been given a certain amount of chances and can't seem to comprehend the fact that the rules aren't here for you to break at your whim.

 

I want to add something to this discussion as well, you will indeed see some discussion here on this subject for two reasons. Either we haven't seen it yet or the individual is asking for info about his Off Road vehicle.

Sled Pullers and drag trucks that are not driven on the roads, naturally are exempt from the emissions control stuff.

 

Hold on here..... I'm obviously raising some feathers here when I was simply trying to clarify something posted on another site. The sticky does NOT answer my question; my question was about "banning." I didn't read wrong, someone interpreted DTR's sticky wrong. I didn't solicit defensive attitudes, just clarification.

Now, I believe DTR is splitting hairs when it wants to pick and choose censorship of a thread about a certain modification to these trucks. The posts I found regarding "open exhausts" or "missing cats' or "cat test pipes" were not under the performance/offroad/pulling headings. For pete's sake, a person can even find the discussions of exhaust system modifications under any of the 3rd Gen topics.

I believe DTR has the right to run its site the way it wants to, but DTR can't seriously believe that the high percentage of its users who claim they "don't have a kitty" or are running an open exhaust are in fact using those trucks for offroad only or truck pulls only.

It seems perfectly logical and responsible for the administrators to immediately jump in on any thread that discusses an illegal activity and make its disclaimer, but by its own admission DTR should be sending out a whole lot of warnings to users who indicate - in their signatures, posts or whatever - they are not using a cat or have an open exhaust. It seems sensible for DTR to make it clear it does not advocate illegal activity, but I don't get the logic behind censoring the discussion of DPF/Cat modification because it's illegal and yet we talk a lot about the burnouts, exhibition of speed and excessive smoke output or "smoking someone out", in this world of diesels we live in...... and you know as well as I do it's not on the race track that this is talked about.

I'll state it again, I didn't start this thread to ruffle any rooster feathers and I sure didn't think DTR would come back in such a defensive posture; I just wanted clarification.

 

And we are trying to give it to you, but you seem to only take what you want out of that thread instead of it's intended meaning.

You are welcome to your opinion on the matter, but we choose how to moderate this forum in the manner that best serves us from a legal standpoint and the community as a whole.

As I already stated we do not see every post made on this forum. The number of posts made here on a daily basis, far outweighs the ability of a handful of volunteer Moderators to see every violation made.

For every post you found there is likely 10 removed ones, we do the best we can, but for you to expect us to be able to catch every single one is absurd because of the sheer number of daily posts on this forum.

You are correct, we do have the right to moderate this forum in the manner we determine to be the best for our needs. Obviously it works or we would not be seeing 1,000 to 1,300 new members every month.

As to whether I believe those people are only running off road or not is irrelevant to moderating this forum. I don't care what they do on their own, but they are required to follow forum rules if they wish to remain on this free forum.

Your logic is flawed simply because it is not humanly possible for us to see every post on this forum. As I stated earlier, there is only a handful of moderators that all have real lives and real jobs, if we catch 10% on any given day we are doing real well. The responsibility falls on the member to post with in the agreement he made when registering on this forum.

We did make it clear in the forum rules that each member agrees to when registering here, however many do not bother to actually read the rules before agreeing to them. Our job as moderators is not to look at every single post to see if it is within forum rules. It is the members job to post in the manner that assures that it is acceptable, and occasionally we will catch one that isn't.

We have a long history here of shutting down threads that are about illegal street racing and excessive smoke stories. Many of us here are Current or Former Law Enforcement Officers that have seen the horrors this activity causes everyday.

We know what it is like to have to try to shovel up the remains of a 15 yr old child that will never see 16 because of someones stupid actions. We also do not like the excessive smoke stories because it is these people that are causing us to deal with these new EPA restrictions. But again we can not catch every single post made here in a day.

We sponsor events at drag strips and dyno days where people can gather to do these things safely through our chapters. Beyond that we can not force you guys to use some common sense on the roads you travel.

As to your point that we know darn well that these guys are not doing this stuff on the track, but on the road instead....Neither you nor I can have any clue where or what they are doing if we are not present at the time. You can try to bolster your argument with assumptions, but they carry no validity on their own.

I don't feel I have displayed any ruffled feathers here today, but merely tried to answer your questions and point out the obvious flaws in your logic in a friendly manner.

 

You didn't ruffle any feathers. It's all good, and now we're clear. I also appreciate the input. Don't sweat it, and I'm sorry it came off that way. It wasn't intended. My fault.

 

This is the response I figured I'd get based on the tone I got from the admin's second response to me.

I'm o.k. with the cleanliness of this site over some other sites. You can't really be fooling yourself when you make the statement that users here, that post about their "illegal exhaust mods" or "using untaxed fuel in their trucks", are only offroaders and pullers..... can you? That's an assumption on the part of DTR and it keeps DTR safe...... just the same as vendors sell their stuff as "offroad use only." I'm o.k. with that.

Maybe I have missed the sticky(ies) where DTR takes the stand against non-use of cats, straight piping, smoking out or exhibition of speed or using free (untaxed) jet fuel. You can try to deminish my points all you want, but everyone who reads this (and loves these trucks for what they have potential for) knows in their heart-of-hearts that what DTR states and what DTR allows with regard to discussing illegal truck mod activity is not the same. The censorship of this particular "discussion" and threat of banishment for discussing cat/dpf mods are totally at the whim of DTR AND are inconsistent with non-censorship/non-banishment for discussion of other activities because DTR chooses to look away.

I didn't start this thing with an attitude, Lary, DTR did. If DTR is too proud to accept that fact, so be it. If this is where I get banned, make sure my user name doesn't stay on the roll-call as a "banned user."

 

I will respectfully recant this, as I was obviously typing at the time the admin made his last response.

 

Here is the deal. The rules are the rules. We enforce them the way we think is appropriate. At the end of the day, it's up to you whether or not you choose to abide by them. If you do choose to abide by them, you're of course welcome to stay. If not, and we have to continually edit your posts, then it'll eventually lead to your removal from the site.

I've stated before and I'll state again, we do not ban people for having discussion. Sometimes it ends up that way because people refuse to listen to the warnings we send them, or just don't agree with how we run the site and end up insulting the admins either on the phone or via pm. I know your underlying issue here, and that's fine.

It's time to get over it, accept it and move on. It is what it is and you're free to choose the sites you want to frequent, the ones that best suit your needs. If this one isn't it, then I can't help that. If it is, you're always welcome and no, you're not going to be banned for speaking your mind. It's when you do it in a way that violates the rules; that gets you banned.

We do the best we can, and we do make mistakes. Is this policy a mistake or not? Time will tell but for now, we're going to continue with the same policy. If for some reason we don't think the policy is appropriate, we'll change it. We've done it before and if we have to, we'll do it again.

 

Having been with DTR since its beginning days (or pretty close to it) this is what I originally thought I would hear back from DTR. I didn't want to believe that the DTR would just arbitrarily ban a user. Thank you very much for your come back. I'm good now.

 

I remove cats from my truck every time I leave the windows open. Hahaha
Never had one in my exhaust though ;-) Mine is an 03

 

I just noticed that. You have been with us for a long time and I hope you'll stay. Some guys will tell you that we just go around banning people for no reason but what a lot of people don't realize is that there are things that go on outside the public eye. I would liken it to being a police officer. You have to take care of business but you do it for a reason. When the folks who have violated the rules get called out on it, some of them get very nasty with you, and some will even try to get back at you by hacking attempts and the like. You just never know what you're going to run into.

Either way, we're glad you're here and if you continue to speak your mind in the way that you have, you'll never have a problem with us, even if we don't agree on a subject.

 

HAHAHAHAHA

I left mine at home in the shop to chase the mice.